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    Post Re: Protocols of zion and 'Nietzcheism'

    Quote Originally Posted by Katyushia
    But there are many people (on this forum, for instance!) who would see that as a good thing. Regarding Christianity as an alien (and also Jewish) religion for us 'goyim', rather then one of our 'true selves'.
    I count myself among them.

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    Post Re: Protocols of zion and 'Nietzcheism'

    Quote Originally Posted by Milesian
    "The struggle we face is, at its core, a struggle between Marx and Christ"
    --Joseph Goebbels
    A man who murdered his own children,what a loser..I keep running in to this strong string of anti semitism in Irish cathlics. The jews are brillant people and they work hard. I am far more concerned with Rome and the vatican than jews and Israel.
    if your a Christian you are tied to them at the metaphysical hip.The jewish population is miniscule in Ireland,so what is the gripe? They did not beleive in Christ? Well about 75% percent of our ancestors did not either they were forced to by the might of Rome.Ireland and Armenia excepted I guess. I do not believe either in an anthropormorphic God. Seems that worldview tends to lead people into extreme hatred of non believers.
    My European people come first thier culture their langauge. For me Judeo Christianity is anti cultural overlay that needs to be exterminated ,but not by force by reason.
    It is time for the germano=celtic north and the Goidelic South to enter the 21st century and look what is happening around them.The jews are not going to overrun your borders and villify your ancestors that will come from Africa.North Africa and parts of Asia.I also do not hate those people just do not want them to take over as they have in England.

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    Post Re: Protocols of zion and 'Nietzcheism'

    [QUOTE=Katyushia]But there are many people (on this forum, for instance!) who would see that as a good thing. Regarding Christianity as an alien (and also Jewish) religion for us 'goyim', rather then one of our 'true selves'.



    Would you say the Second world war was a good example of this? (Nietzche and Darwin - inspired 'Nazism' vs Marxism?)

    No, but the Protocols had a prominant place in the history of WW2. I would say that when Walther Durre brought the Protocols from the Baltic region to Hitler and the Thule Society, the shit hit the fan for the Jews. They knew they were exposed for exactly what they were. The British press, which was controlled by Jews, turned against Hitler from that moment on. The British press engaged their counterparts in the USA and attempted to turn American public opinion against Germany. This was largely unsuccessful in Ameirca. In fact, if it were not for Peal Harbor and the Axis Alliance with forced Hitler into declaring war against Germany, the USA may only have fought its real enemy, Japan, in WW2. So, the Protocols got things rolling and are definately a big part of the unspoken history of WW2.

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    Post Re: Protocols of zion and 'Nietzcheism'

    I did not insinuate any personal feelings about Goebbels, I merely posted a quote that I considered relevant. Let's not jump to conclusions.

    Interesting you run into Anti-Semitism in Irish Catholics.
    Personally, I think it difficult to find any Irish Catholics in anything but name.
    Unfortunately, most seem to be thoroughly imbued with liberal, secular ideas.

    Anyway, finding Anti-Semitism in them is a trait of Catholicism.
    To be more precise, it is hostility to Judaism. Two thousand years of Catholic history will attest to this. My grief is that since the subversive take-over at Vatican II, Judaism is now seen as a cosy neighbour rather than a subversive and poisonous creed that needs to be suppressed.

    The Jewish population is only ever a fraction of the population anywhere at any given time. But they have an immense amount of power compared to their relative size. Look how they amass wealth and influence in various fields - the government, the media, international finance, etc.
    It is the ideas and opinions that they disseminate into their host population that corrupts. This is not a new concept. This has been a gripe of Gentile host populations for hundreds if not thousands of years among a diverse range of peoples. The gripe against them is not that they don't believe in Christ, but rather that they actively work against the faith wherever they are, usually by spreading apostacy and heresy to weaken the faith.
    Today, that tends to take the form of athiesm, or materialism or New Age paganism. Of course, there are shabbas goyim who are always only too happy to collaborate.

    As for everyone being forced by Rome to be Christian, that is a gross exaggeration and over-simplification. I'm sure your country has had it's saints and religious people of note. Where they forced to be saints at sword-point?
    No-one was ever a willing Christian but made to be one under threat of death? Your nation or people began to collapse once Christianity was embraced and it's never been beneficial?

    I don't know why your so concerned with Rome and the Vatican.
    They are a shadow of their former selves, they have been compromised from within since the 1960's and they have little power to speak of. The Pope is hardly going to send the Swiss guard in to enforce Papal rule in your country. The most he can do nowadays is offer some meak platitude or make a hollow plea for peace.
    You don't worry about the Jews or Israel, despite the fact they have a stranglehold on world finance, they exert incredible pressure on all western governments, and Israel is a nuclear capable country which can flout international laws with impunity and with little fear of reprisal? You are more concerned about some priests walled into a tiny area within Italy who are struggling to keep what few liberties they have left?
    I'm afraid my concerns lie elsewhere.

    For me, there is nothing anti-cultural in Christianity (Judeo-Christianity is an oxymoron, BTW). My nation enjoyed it's cultural golden age under the patronage of the Church, so for me to assent to your conclusion would be inaccurate, a-historical and ultimately false.

    I'm not sure what you mean by "germano=celtic north and the Goidelic south".
    You mean Germans = Celts and Goidels are a seperate people?
    If so, then that is incorrect.

    Also, I'm not sure what you mean by my ancestors from North Africa. Can you elaborate? I don't hate North Africans either...so long as they stay in North Africa like you said




    Quote Originally Posted by Boerncian
    A man who murdered his own children,what a loser..I keep running in to this strong string of anti semitism in Irish cathlics. The jews are brillant people and they work hard. I am far more concerned with Rome and the vatican than jews and Israel.
    if your a Christian you are tied to them at the metaphysical hip.The jewish population is miniscule in Ireland,so what is the gripe? They did not beleive in Christ? Well about 75% percent of our ancestors did not either they were forced to by the might of Rome.Ireland and Armenia excepted I guess. I do not believe either in an anthropormorphic God. Seems that worldview tends to lead people into extreme hatred of non believers.
    My European people come first thier culture their langauge. For me Judeo Christianity is anti cultural overlay that needs to be exterminated ,but not by force by reason.
    It is time for the germano=celtic north and the Goidelic South to enter the 21st century and look what is happening around them.The jews are not going to overrun your borders and villify your ancestors that will come from Africa.North Africa and parts of Asia.I also do not hate those people just do not want them to take over as they have in England.
    Last edited by Milesian; Monday, May 31st, 2004 at 10:14 AM.

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    Post Re: Protocols of zion and 'Nietzcheism'

    Quote Originally Posted by Katyushia
    But there are many people (on this forum, for instance!) who would see that as a good thing. Regarding Christianity as an alien (and also Jewish) religion for us 'goyim', rather then one of our 'true selves'.
    ... Did this [ie., Nietzsche's friendship with the Jew, Paul Ree] influence come into any of his works? which ones?
    Moody; It was mainly 'Human All Too Human', and 'Daybreak', where his concern was with morality; he was influenced not so much by Ree's ideas, but by his attempt to apply a 'scientific' analysis of morality.
    This period marks the break with Wagner and the earlier Nietzsche of the Birth of Tragedy, and is the prelude to the writing of Zarathustra.
    http://www.cmi.k12.il.us/~pmartin/nietzsche/life.htm

    Nietzsche saw Christianity as a deception created by the Jews to destroy the Aryan master morality of the Romans. Therefore, to the conspirators, Christianity was merely a poison which would eventually out-live its usefulness.
    Darwin, Nietzsche and Marx, being atheists would see to the shedding of the snakeskin of Xtianity and the emergence of Judaised liberalism which would bring about the complete destruction of the Aryan culture.
    However, the conspirators were ignorant of the true nature of Aryanism [and therefore of Nietzsche's writings] and so did not expect an Aryan revival to occur as it did in National Socialism.
    While they defeated N-S materially in WWII, they did not destroy its spirit.

    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

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    Post Re: Protocols of zion and 'Nietzcheism'

    Ok, thanks. That makes sense to me, more or less.

    Going off topic now, i've become greatly intrested in philosophy recently; i think reading this forum was what sparked my interest .... you seem to 'know your stuff' so what recommendations would you make to someone 'starting out' in the 'field' ? i've seen it put that you should have a fairly good understanding of the subject before reading Nietszche so i've steered clear (although i've read 'the Antichrist' thanks to the helpful explanitory thread here ). i've been reading the 'Nichomachian Ethics' (which i've found interesting) and the Republic is waiting next for me.... any advice?

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    Post Re: Protocols of zion and 'Nietzcheism'

    Quote Originally Posted by Katyushia
    Ok, thanks. That makes sense to me, more or less.

    Going off topic now, i've become greatly intrested in philosophy recently; i think reading this forum was what sparked my interest .... you seem to 'know your stuff' so what recommendations would you make to someone 'starting out' in the 'field' ? i've seen it put that you should have a fairly good understanding of the subject before reading Nietszche so i've steered clear (although i've read 'the Antichrist' thanks to the helpful explanitory thread here ). i've been reading the 'Nichomachian Ethics' (which i've found interesting) and the Republic is waiting next for me.... any advice?
    I must say, I am bowled over to think that this forum has had an impact on your studies - thank you! [not that I'm taking full credit - there are many of us here].
    It's difficult for me to give the advice you ask, as my own path is really all I know! And it was a path which largely took its own course before I decided to put some discipline on it.
    Looking back on it, I may be able to salvage some pointers.
    I would say that it is important to take care of at least three areas;
    1) General,
    2) Particular,
    3) Goal.

    The first category is like taking your medicine - it may be unpalatable at times. But I knew I had to get some kind of over-view of Western philosophy, at least. So I ploughed through many books, the best short one being Russell's 'The Problems of Philosophy'. This book recommends that you read the basic texts, like Plato's Republic, Descates's Method, Leibniz's Monadology, Kant's Critique etc.,
    Always best to read the plain texts and think about them.
    I supplemented that with Roger Scruton's 'Modern Philosophy', which deals with what it says in a clear and enlightening way.

    Now, I early found my particular favourite philosopher, he being Nietzsche; so we are now onto 2. I really obessesed on him for some time, taking him as a guru; I think this is necessary, so pick your favourite philosopher and concentrate on him for a while.
    I did a book study on Beyond Good and Evil [as 'Bill'] on another web-site a while ago;
    http://killdevilhill.com/nietzschech...&i=1752&t=1676
    As this link shows, the site was a mess [I was constantly attacked by anti-Nazis who even pretended to be me] and I found Skadi sometime afterwards.

    But I brought a generality into my study of Nietzsche; I took courses in things like music, art history and the Presocratics to try and get an understanding of Nietzsche's own perspective [those being some important subjects to him].

    But then I had to find a goal beyond discipleship. After reading Colin Jordan's lucid tract on National Socialism, called 'The Way Ahead', I resolved to try and espouse a form of National Socialist Philosophy of my own from out of those influences.

    I am working on 1, 2, and 3 still! As I find that we keep going back on ourselves, but on a higher plane than before.

    So I would recommend, as getting started;

    1) Russell, The Problems of Philosophy
    Scruton, Modern Philosophy
    Guthrie, Greek Philosophy
    You might want to compare Aristotle's ethics with those of Nietzsche in his Genealogy of Morals.

    On Nietzsche;
    2) Nietzsche; here read his Ecce Homo first, where he mentions most of his books. Use Nietzsche's own critique of his books as a starting point for each, going through them chronologically.
    Add the Antichrist and the Will to Power as they're not covered in Ecce Homo.
    I prefer to avoid commentaries on Nietzsche, but Heidegger's Nietzsche [2 vols is good], as is Danto's Nietzsche as a Philosopher.

    But then Nietzsche may not be your chosen guru; and as for a goal, that will have to suggest itself to you.
    Last edited by Moody; Friday, June 4th, 2004 at 05:46 PM. Reason: added sentiment
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