Protocols of Zion and 'Nietzcheism'

[Renwein]

Hi,
i've been glancing over the 'infamous' protocols of the learned elders of zion (found here, http://jahtruth.co.uk//illumin.htm#Protocols )
and I noticed this section / comment...

PROTOCOL 2
ECONOMIC WARS
Routine scientific government ñ Darwinism, Marxism, Nietzcheism ñ Press-inculcated mentality.....

....The intellectuals of the goyim will puff themselves up with their knowledge and; without any logical verification of them; will put into effect, all the information available from science, which our agentur specialists have cunningly pieced together, for the purpose of educating their minds in the direction we want.

3. Do not suppose for a moment that these statements are empty words: think carefully of the successes we arranged for Darwinism, Marxism, Nietzsche-ism. To us Jews, at any rate, it should be plain to see what a disintegrating importance these directives have had upon the minds of the goyim.

Whether or not the 'protocols' are 'real', who wrote them / why etc, whoever did obviously regarded 'Nietzsche-ism' as being a bad thing for 'goyim'. Since he seems to be a popular philosopher amongst users of this forum, far right thinkers etc, I was wondering why you think this might be?

Because of Nietzsche's 'individulism' and attacks on 'nationalism' ?

and why 'Darwinism', too, for that matter?

[Siegfried]

Because of Nietzsche's 'individulism' and attacks on 'nationalism' ?

and why 'Darwinism', too, for that matter?

I think it's because both Darwinism and Nietzsche's philosophy blew holes in Christianity.

[Dr. Solar Wolff]

I think the point that the Protocols are trying to make is that they spin opposing views on almost every issue to confuse all issues. In this confusion it is they who benifit by re-ordering society out of apparent confusion. Or, stated another way, they are able to use capitalism, communism, philosophy, religion, or any social force to their ends. They can be first on one side and then on another side of an issue. They can support both sides of an issue at once. They can do this because it is not the issue, prima facia, that concerns them, it is their interest within the issue.

[Milesian]

I think it's because both Darwinism and Nietzsche's philosophy blew holes in Christianity.

I agree with your assessment.
All of these things and indeed everything in our modern world is designed to shake people's faith in Christianity, scandals to discredit it, alternative theories to negate the need for it, etc

I must hand it to them, they have and continue to do an excellent job of it

[Moody]

I might add that when Nietzsche broke with Wagner, Cosima Wagner said at the time that "the Jews have got to him".

During this period Nietzsche was in contact with the Jew Paul Ree whose ideas on morality inspired Nietzsche [although they both fell out after a while].

So the Protocols could also be referring to Nietzsche's pro-Jewish tendencies as well as his corrosive attack on Christianity.

But then the Protocolers may not have forseen that the essentially Aryan [and profoundly anti-Semitic] philosophy of Nietzsche would inspire the likes of Adolf Hitler in the future!


Hitler admires a bust of Nietzsche at the Nietzsche Archive

[Milesian]

Hitler admires a bust of Nietzsche at the Nietzsche Archive

He doesn't look very admiring, more like he's about to throw a punch at it

[Moody]

He doesn't look very admiring, more like he's about to throw a punch at it

Believe me, that's the look of admiration from Wolf ... now if he wanted to punch you, he'd look something like this;

[Milesian]

Ah yes, the difference is now apparent

[Renwein]

I think it's because both Darwinism and Nietzsche's philosophy blew holes in Christianity.

But there are many people (on this forum, for instance!) who would see that as a good thing. Regarding Christianity as an alien (and also Jewish) religion for us 'goyim', rather then one of our 'true selves'.

I think the point that the Protocols are trying to make is that they spin opposing views on almost every issue to confuse all issues. In this confusion it is they who benifit by re-ordering society out of apparent confusion. Or, stated another way, they are able to use capitalism, communism, philosophy, religion, or any social force to their ends. They can be first on one side and then on another side of an issue. They can support both sides of an issue at once. They can do this because it is not the issue, prima facia, that concerns them, it is their interest within the issue.

Would you say the Second world war was a good example of this? (Nietzche and Darwin - inspired 'Nazism' vs Marxism?)

During this period Nietzsche was in contact with the Jew Paul Ree whose ideas on morality inspired Nietzsche

Did this influence come into any of his works? which ones?

[Milesian]

Would you say the Second world war was a good example of this? (Nietzche and Darwin - inspired 'Nazism' vs Marxism?)

"The struggle we face is, at its core, a struggle between Marx and Christ"
--Joseph Goebbels