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    There is one thing I want to say to Ossi, Hauke, and Jäger. You're just fools. Sorry, but that about covers it. Your pure hatred for ALL americans, even if they are Germanic in blood, reject american imperialism and embrace their Germanic culture (and by Germanic I am speaking in terms of the meta-ethnicity shared by Scandinavians like Hersir and English folk like Renwein,) you just HATE us and want to be our enemies. I have never received one thank you from any of you for any post, though I have offered many. I have never had a rep from any of you though they have been offered as well. Frankly, it was this very attitude that got Germany into two world wars and put you in your present situation. An alliance was offered with England, a fellow Germanic nation, TWICE, in 1899 and again in 1900, but certain folks (like Friedrich von Holstein) with precisely your mindset wanted to ignore the offered hand of friendship and preferred to isolate Germany. If Britain and Germany had been allies, there could hardly have been the loss of a generation of strong young men on both sides in WWI much less the utter destruction which was WWII. Fighting against each other rather than side by side ruined the power of both sides while the rest of the world waited to carve up the remains (and you bet that included that pedantic slimeball Woodrow Wilson who I loathe probably even more than you do.) Enough with this infighting. Haven't we all had enough of it to last an eternity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    Frankly, it was this very attitude that got Germany into two world wars
    Certainly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    and put you in your present situation.
    We would be in the same situation if we had simply allowed others to continue without keeping their growth in check, which is the fate of most other Germanic countries in Europe. What destroyed us was not the defeat, it was the "friendship" that followed it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    An alliance was offered with England, a fellow Germanic nation, TWICE, in 1899 and again in 1900, but certain folks (like Friedrich von Holstein) with precisely your mindset wanted to ignore the offered hand of friendship and preferred to isolate Germany.
    You are dreaming. The British Empire could not afford a hegemon in Continental Europe, no matter what.

    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    If Britain and Germany had been allies, there could hardly have been the loss of a generation of strong young men on both sides in WWI much less the utter destruction which was WWII.
    We could have seen a war between the British Empire and the US, which would have been more advantageous for us. Unfortunately, our position dictated an involvement in the majority of all possible wars. It does not make much of a difference who our enemy is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    Enough with this infighting. Haven't we all had enough of it to last an eternity?
    A nation with such an attitude is as good as dead. No, we can't destroy ourselves for your benefit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    There is one thing I want to say to Ossi, Hauke, and Jäger. You're just fools. Sorry, but that about covers it. Your pure hatred for ALL americans, even if they are Germanic in blood
    Yes I second that motion.

    I'll add these to the list - Todesengel, Ossi and Baerin as being anti-Volksdeutsch, even when some of us are more German and more loyal than many European born Germans. It seems as though the eastern-oriented Germans have been poisoned from birth with Soviet inclinations.

    But on a positive note with folks like Sigurd, Valkyie, Velvet and others who are more about embracing all unity-minded Germans than bashing Germans who happen to have been born abroad.

    Examples :

    1. Reichs Food Minister Walther Darre (German & Swedish) born in Argentina.
    2. Deputy Fuehrer Rudolf Hess was born in Egypt.
    3. Reich Health Minister Leonardo Conti (German & Italian Swiss).
    4. Reichsminister Alfred Rosenberg born in Estonia.
    5. Adolf Hitler (Austo-Bavarian) born in Austria.

    Were these men not as good as other Germans ?
    I rest my case. If they were good enough for the NSDAP than good enough for us.

    Charles Lindbergh was a Swedish-American who was known to oppose WW2 and as being anti-Jewish.

    Henry Ford an English-American was a donator of money to Hitler and the NSDAP.

    Charles Coughlin an Irish-American delivering anti-Jewish and anti-Communist lectures on American radio.

    All of the above whether German or allied Germanic are worthy of inclusion in a future Germanic Empire.

    William Pelley, a Scots-English American leader of the anti-Communist, anti-Jewish, pro-German Silvershirts.

    True Germans with an Empire view will accept Germans from abroad in the spirit of true Germandom.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    No, we can't destroy ourselves for your benefit.
    Who on this forum is asking Germany to be destroyed for another country's benefit ?

    Certainly not I.

    How about importing all Volksdeutsche from abroad who are German patriots and who want to become fully Germanised in order to contribute to Germany, in exchange for all of the parasitic, non-patriotic Germans currently in the BRD ?

    Would not that strengthen Germandom ?

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    Unification processes are precipitated by power imbalances, which usually means that dominant structures replace subordinate ones. A call for unity represents an intention to progressively dissolve partially integrated structures.

    Germany currently lacks the power to break the United States and conquer it. It is therefore reasonable to reject demands for immediate unity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    We would be in the same situation if we had simply allowed others to continue without keeping their growth in check, which is the fate of most other Germanic countries in Europe. What destroyed us was not the defeat, it was the "friendship" that followed it.
    There can be no friendship on unequal terms. Friendship before the World Wars would have prevented the World Wars, and allowed the Prussian point of view to influence British foreign policy, exercised prudently.

    And the friendship I am talking about here on this board is not the "friendship" of the american jew dominated government and the BRD, which I agree has been nothing but detrimental to Germany. Friends do not occupy one anothers' homelands by force. No, I'm talking about what this board SHOULD be about, the friendship of individuals who all share the concern of preserving our culture, wholly and individually. I don't want you to accept americanization. I, like you, want the american forces and multinationals out of Germany. I accept you for being a Prussian and Sigurd for being Austrian. I accept Renwein for being English and Hersir for being Norwegian. What I cannot accept is being "american" for myself, simply because America is, as someone once aptly put it, half judaized and half negrified. This in no way represents my culture, personally, and I despise being exposed to it. Most every Germanic american here would probably agree, and that's why we are here. I think that as adults we all have the capacity to respect each others ethnic individuality while at the same time appreciating our commonality as members of a meta-ethnicity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    You are dreaming. The British Empire could not afford a hegemon in Continental Europe, no matter what.
    Many in the British government were also skeptical, but this was Joseph Chamberlain's initiative, he was able to get approval for it twice (possibly because Germany was not as powerful in 1900 as it was in 1914,) and the offer was made. It so happened that the German Government did not respond to it. It was a rare chance, but it was missed, to the sadness of many widows on both sides.

    Britain was foolish as well, they should have realized (as I'm sure Chamberlain did) that Russia would be the hegemon of the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    We could have seen a war between the British Empire and the US, which would have been more advantageous for us.
    That was a possibility for awhile. Britain, as we all know, was very jealous about owning the sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    Unfortunately, our position dictated an involvement in the majority of all possible wars.
    Let me alter that slightly.. all inevitable wars. One of the statesmen I admire most is Bismarck, who chose his wars very carefully and then satisfied himself with peace and strategic alliances to maintain the Empire he had built. The lapse of the pact with Russia may eventually have been inevitable, but the aforementioned alliance with Britain would have allowed this to happen from a position of strength.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    It does not make much of a difference who our enemy is.
    But it does make a difference who your friends are. Being alone against a sea of enemies is not strategically prudent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    A nation with such an attitude is as good as dead. No, we can't destroy ourselves for your benefit.
    Why would your destruction benefit me? Do I have a hooked nose and sidelocks? I don't think so. We simply need to realize that our enemies are not one another, at least as individuals or as small groups who appreciate our individual and shared ethnicities and meta-ethnicities. The americans on this board are not seeking to deprive you of your identity, and if any support the US government or its occupation of foreign lands, I would be the first to educate them otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    Unification processes are precipitated by power imbalances, which usually means that dominant structures replace subordinate ones. A call for unity represents an intention to progressively dissolve partially integrated structures.
    Not necessarily. It sounds like you are describing German unification in the 1800s again. This succeeded, but only partially, because parts of the old Reich remained outside in this process.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    Germany currently lacks the power to break the United States and conquer it. It is therefore reasonable to reject demands for immediate unity.
    I think we should stop talking about political unity. As you say, it's an unrealistic goal right now, and again, it is not 1866, and the situation is different. At the moment I utterly oppose globalism because it is not to the advantage of the various Germanic peoples. Now, if all non-Germanic individuals were to somehow suddenly vanish from the globe, I would be all for some sort of politically unifying confederation. But I think we should still refrain from annihilating each other unless it is absolutely necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peoples Observer View Post
    Well if you are against White Unity than thats your choice.

    Why are you so hostile to Germans being allied with other White Racialist nationalities ?

    In case you did not realize it Germans are White.

    In case you had not noticed. Whites in gereral and Germanics in particular are a rapidly diminishing breed in this colored world.

    You should be damned glad to have other Germanics on your side in the coming battles.

    As long as other White Nationalists are not harming German interests, what is wrong with an alliance in the struggle against the non-Whites ?

    Danes, Norwegians, Swedes, Dutch, English, Irish, Scots, Flemings, Walloons along with many French, Italians, Spaniards, Finns, Latvians etc........ can all be allied to Germans against the multitudes of enemies.

    This is not saying that they mix in with Germans, but to fight alongside Germans in our common anti-communist, anti-zionist, anti-muslim, anti-miscegenist struggle.
    Why am I so hostile to WN? Let's think... maybe because Germany was allied with other white nations before, and they betrayed her?

    WN and German interests don't correspond. Simple as that. No Italian, no Pole, no Russian, will ever agree to cede German land back.

    I notice a pattern that the East Germans on this board biased against me. They can hate me all they please for being NS and for being able to work with other Germanic White groups who are like-minded. It won't deter me.

    And by the way just being born in Germany is not enough.
    You must be a dedicated NS adherent and willing to sacrifice all for the Volk.

    American citizenship means nothing.

    Racial lineage, German Racial loyalty, cultural upbringing and language skills account for who is German.

    By those terms I'm a German. And when I move to Germany I'll be a fully fledged German.
    I notice a pattern that Americans on this board who want to be seen as Germans hate the Germans who don't see them as such.

    I've already said a million times by now it has nothing to do with being born in Germany.

    "German-Americans", as a group, have already chosen their loyalties alongside history. Does WWI or WWII ring any bells? How is it that so many German-Americans, the most dominant ethnic group, or the second-most after the English, took arms against Germany? Against their own fatherland? Supported and even took part themselves in the military operations which raided our cities and bombed our women and children?

    And let's look at the statistics from the censuses:

    50 million Americans have German ancestry. German Americans represent 17% of the total U.S. population and 26% of the non-Hispanic white population.

    About 1.5 million Americans speak German today.
    Even though the BRD citizenship is little better than the American citizenship.
    Explain.

    And by the way the opinions of anti-social Red Germans count for nothing.
    I am not "red".

    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    There is one thing I want to say to Ossi, Hauke, and Jäger. You're just fools. Sorry, but that about covers it. Your pure hatred for ALL americans, even if they are Germanic in blood, reject american imperialism and embrace their Germanic culture (and by Germanic I am speaking in terms of the meta-ethnicity shared by Scandinavians like Hersir and English folk like Renwein,) you just HATE us and want to be our enemies.
    I don't really hate Americans. I just don't consider the majority of "German-Americans" to be German. I don't see you as brothers but as cousins. And you can't change that feeling. I have to warn you though, as well as your friend peoples Observer, about it. You will encounter it among many German nationalists. And what you encounter here, on Skadi, is not comparable to what you might encounter among the most hardcore German nationalists. Some go so far as refusing to speak any English because it's the language of Roosevelt and the oppressors. Go to Thiazi. You speak German don't you? If you don't, then Peoples Observer said he's fluent, so he should be able to compose a thread asking German nationalists what they think of German-Americans.

    And Peoples Observer was talking about when nationalism rises again in Germany. Well when that happens, I wish good luck to the Americans who happen to sit on German soil then. You'll need it.

    And also ask American nationalists what they think about Americans who constantly denounce being American and spit on it.

    I have never received one thank you from any of you for any post, though I have offered many. I have never had a rep from any of you though they have been offered as well.
    I gave thanks and reputation out to other Americans on this board. If haven't given you a thanks it probably means I found to have little in common with you.

    Frankly, it was this very attitude that got Germany into two world wars and put you in your present situation. An alliance was offered with England, a fellow Germanic nation, TWICE, in 1899 and again in 1900, but certain folks (like Friedrich von Holstein) with precisely your mindset wanted to ignore the offered hand of friendship and preferred to isolate Germany. If Britain and Germany had been allies, there could hardly have been the loss of a generation of strong young men on both sides in WWI much less the utter destruction which was WWII. Fighting against each other rather than side by side ruined the power of both sides while the rest of the world waited to carve up the remains (and you bet that included that pedantic slimeball Woodrow Wilson who I loathe probably even more than you do.) Enough with this infighting. Haven't we all had enough of it to last an eternity?
    Oh, so now blaming it on the Germans? How cliche!

    May I remind you that Hitler offered peace to England several times? And how did England receive it? By ignoring it and supporting a Slavic nation instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    Certainly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    Oh, so now blaming it on the Germans? How cliche!

    May I remind you that Hitler offered peace to England several times? And how did England receive it? By ignoring it and supporting a Slavic nation instead.
    It's constructive criticism, I meant it no other way. I am speaking to you as a friend, yet you only want to see an enemy. It's only a cliche because of your (understandable) bias. You saw that coming out of the arrogant mouth of someone like Montgomery or Roosevelt, but it didn't. It came from someone who does not want to see you isolated and alone AGAIN as you were at that time.

    I did say somewhere that the Brits were pig-headed as well, so you're not the only ones. But consider the price of such pigheadedness. Is it not better to be friends than enemies? We have enemies enough in common. This has been my whole point here.

    And also ask American nationalists what they think about Americans who constantly denounce being American and spit on it.
    There is no such thing as America anymore. Anyone who is an "American nationalist" is simply confused. There is no nation without common blood and common culture. There are the "White nationalists" who simply try to embrace being European-descended, and for political reasons, it's prudent to support that movement, because, like I said, it's better to have friends than enemies.

    Do I consider myself a "White Nationalist?" Honestly, I feel no particular kinship toward non-Germanic White people, but they are better than swarms of mexicans and blacks.

    You see, I would have you avoid this problem in Europe. The EU is an enemy so evil you cannot comprehend what they will do. If they can, they will make you feel as alone and under siege as I do in this godforsaken land. You still have your identity. Fight to keep it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    It's constructive criticism, I meant it no other way. I am speaking to you as a friend, yet you only want to see an enemy. It's only a cliche because of your (understandable) bias. You saw that coming out of the arrogant mouth of someone like Montgomery or Roosevelt, but it didn't. It came from someone who does not want to see you isolated and alone AGAIN as you were at that time.

    I did say somewhere that the Brits were pig-headed as well, so you're not the only ones. But consider the price of such pigheadedness. Is it not better to be friends than enemies? We have enemies enough in common. This has been my whole point here.
    The USA is forcing the FRG to be a part of a friendship with Israel, and the traitors in the FRG are accepting it. We don't need friendships. It's Germany before anything and anyone else, get it.

    By the way, how are a few Americans from the Internet boards seeing themselves as Germans going to help Germany against the enemies? Considering the majority of Americans would support bombing Germany into oblivion if she ever had nationalist intentions again. What exactly do you offer to do?

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    Usually, the hostility against Americans comes the moment Americans declare themselves selfproclaimed Germans and are overzealous about it. Desperation to fit in, be accepted, and throwing a fit when it doesn't happen is characteristic of minorities in our countries, so the attitude is very much frowned upon.

    Insulting whole groups of Germans or blaming their nation reveals that despite trying to come off as German, your mindset differentiates between an "us" and a "them", "them" being Germany and Germans.

    I advise you to think up a different strategy for reconciliation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    There is no such thing as America anymore. Anyone who is an "American nationalist" is simply confused. There is no nation without common blood and common culture. There are the "White nationalists" who simply try to embrace being European-descended, and for political reasons, it's prudent to support that movement, because, like I said, it's better to have friends than enemies.

    Do I consider myself a "White Nationalist?" Honestly, I feel no particular kinship toward non-Germanic White people, but they are better than swarms of mexicans and blacks.

    You see, I would have you avoid this problem in Europe. The EU is an enemy so evil you cannot comprehend what they will do. If they can, they will make you feel as alone and under siege as I do in this godforsaken land. You still have your identity. Fight to keep it.
    America was built by our forefathers, who were Germanic. The ancestral American identity is Anglo-Germanic. If you do not feel American and you have an identity problem, do not blame it on America. The founding fathers built this nation with sweat and blood. They fought for its independence. If they merely wanted to be vassals to Europe, they would have stayed there. We are what we are, Americans, and we should not be ashamed of this fact.


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