Christianity on Skadi

[Blod og Jord]

This is one of the few things that bothers me about this otherwise good forum,
Christianity is put on the same level with indigenous Germanic religion.
I'm overwhelmed how this can be justified.
Christians have their own forum like Germanic heathens,
while the other religions are lumped together in "general and other".
Members who profess Judaism or Islam aren't allowed,
but Christians are treated differently,
as Germanic preservation supporters.
How can this be true?
Christianity is a Middle Eastern religion,
like Islam and Judaism.
It doesn't matter that it's practiced in Europe by white people.
Islam is too (in Bosnia, Albania).
If Islam was dominant in Europe,
it would be accepted as Germanic preservation too?
To be brutally honest,
it's extremely offensive to a Germanic heathen,
that this religion is favored on Skadi,
the religion which murdered our ancestors,
and put an end to the folk community.
What explanation is there for that??

[Ossi]

Deeming Christianity as incompatible with Germanic preservation as Islam or Judaism would leave Skadi devoid of half its members.

[Blod og Jord]

Deeming Christianity as incompatible with Germanic preservation as Islam or Judaism would leave Skadi devoid of half its members.

Are numbers what matters?
Then why not include Germanic practicers of Islam and Judaism?
Buddhism? Hinduism? Which other?
Isn't this a community for Germanic folk culture?
If it is,
what are Christians doing here?
Christianity is not part of Germanic culture.
It comes from the desert,
and it's about a Jewish god
not a Germanic God like Odin.

[Matrix]

Christianity is the religion of the majority, so most Germanics will be born Christians, no choice in the matter.

[Blod og Jord]

Christianity is the religion of the majority, so most Germanics will be born Christians, no choice in the matter.

Multiculturalism is the politics of the majority,
they belong on Skadi?
I'm not meaning about Germanics who were born Christian and baptized.
But this is a forum with mostly adults,
who made a conscious choice about their religion.
It's not a nice reading,
to read here posts praising the Jewish god,
and even attacking my religion,
which is the Germanic religion after all.

[HeathenAssault]

i agree totally with jael on this, semitic christianity should stay out.

[ladybright]

Christianity is not Germanic but many Germanics are Christian. I do not feel that Christians are intrinsically anti-Germanic the way Islam/Judaism is. Christianity adapted to many heathen and pagan practices and was further adapted by Germans(and other Germanics). Judaism is an ethnic/racial religion not a Universal one which makes me more comfortable with it theoretically. I could go on for pages about how Islam is intrinsically anti-Germanic.

I think that we are to be hospitable to all Germanics that are not anti-germanic. Hospitality is one of the highest virtues in my opinion.

But then I am a solitary Heathen and do not have the advice of a Gothi. I order the virtues as I see them not as some one else tells me.

[Sigurd]

Christianity has had a profound effect on shaping the more recent (that is approx. 1000-1500 years of) Germanic history. It is the majority belief of our folk as stands at current, and has been the inspiration for many strands of occidental philosophy.

Do I consider Christianity the rightful spiritual birthright of our folk? Certainly not. Do I consider Christianity an expedient tool to mend the ailing for spirit? Certainly not. Do I prefer Germanics to spiritually re-awaken as well? Most certainly yes.

But do we not always read off-line as well about many Germanic preservationists who ground their preservation somewhat on the "preservation of Christian values", which are often derived at least indirectly from our own "pre-Christian values"? Essentially, there's nothing exclusively Christian about many of their values, they are rooted in our Germanic culture anyhow - with or without Christianity.

However, the battle Heathenry vs. Christianity is not one to be fought now. It is not one we should fight now. And it's not one we should rigorously fight right now. We would be fighting against members of our own folk, we would be pitting the child against his father and brother, this already goes against our own morals.

No, the re-awakening to our religious birthright is, and must be gradual. It took Christianity centennia to convert our ancestors, and in many rural areas they were only able to because a great number of originally Heathen practices were kept in a only mildly adapted form.

Maybe it's because I'm from such a Catholic area - but whether we like it or not, Christianity has had a profound effect on our folk, and continues to do so in many Germanic areas. In many cases, telling them they cannot be Christian is counter-productive, it is also something which will often take centennia.

The main point is - it has played an important part in Germanic history, and it continues to do so. Over time, the re-awakening to Heathenism is a self-runner if we keep expanding as we do now. In the meantime, Germanic Christians help us to preserve some traditions and customs which are ours in origin, this is help we get along the way. We can still clear them from that taint at a latter stage.

And in the meantime we do good not to alienate conscious members of our folk. To establish whether the Perchtenlauf is a Heathen or Christian tradition can be left to a later stage. At present, any ideal which aids the advancement of our folk, should be accomodated, whether we like it or not.

[Blod og Jord]

I think that we are to be hospitable to all Germanics that are not anti-germanic. Hospitality is one of the highest virtues in my opinion.

But Christianity is a universalist religion.
It's like multiculturalism and globalism.
How can that not be anti-Germanic?

Christianity has had a profound effect on shaping the more recent (that is approx. 1000-1500 years of) Germanic history. It is the majority belief of our folk as stands at current, and has been the inspiration for many strands of occidental philosophy.

Marxism has been around in Europe for some time,
and Islam will be in future.
Must we embrace everything that has a history on this continent?

Do I consider Christianity the rightful spiritual birthright of our folk? Certainly not. Do I consider Christianity an expedient tool to mend the ailing for spirit? Certainly not. Do I prefer Germanics to spiritually re-awaken as well? Most certainly yes.

Very well said!
But then why is this forum embracing of Christians?
How are we going to spiritually re-awaken Germanics,
who worship a crucified Jew,
killed by his own people?
If we want a spiritual re-awakening,
we should make it clear that Christianity is as destructive and undesirable,
as Islam, Judaism and the other desert religions.
That it must be rejected,
like Marxism,
multiculturalism,
or globalism.

But do we not always read off-line as well about many Germanic preservationists who ground their preservation somewhat on the "preservation of Christian values", which are often derived at least indirectly from our own "pre-Christian values"? Essentially, there's nothing exclusively Christian about many of their values, they are rooted in our Germanic culture anyhow - with or without Christianity.

However, the battle Heathenry vs. Christianity is not one to be fought now. It is not one we should fight now. And it's not one we should rigorously fight right now. We would be fighting against members of our own folk, we would be pitting the child against his father and brother, this already goes against our own morals.

I ask you another time:
what is the matter of this forum?
To invite all members of our folk,
of all creeds?
I don't see any multiculturals embraced,
except if they come in the form of Christian faith.

[Chlodovech]

If we want a spiritual re-awakening,
we should make it clear that Christianity is as destructive and undesirable, as Islam, Judaism and the other desert religions.
That it must be rejected,
like Marxism,
multiculturalism,
or globalism.

There are enough threads on this subject already, so I'm not gonna adress all the issues at hand, but I wonder what you make of the atheist and agnostic presence on Skadi, Jael. Do you consider them spiritually awake, and is their presence legitimate?

IMO, messing with the religious consensus on this forum is not a tactful thing to do, I like the current arrangment, it strikes me as very pragmatic, and, Roman, in a way. As in: You can worship the god(s) you want as long as you obey to the god of the state, the god in the state.

Also, Christianity is not Marxism - the Church is the mortal enemy of Marxism and vice versa - and globalism and multiculturalism as we know it are neocapitalist inventions.

Life is not that black and white. If you're gonna take away everything in our society that is oriental or classical in its earliest origins, you might as well do away with much of our civilization as a whole - from machine guns and military barracks to literature and the crown jewels of Germanic architecture. Our ancestors learned from other cultures and upgraded the inspiration and ideas of foreign civilizations, giving them a whole new Germanic interpretation - to the extent that every outsider immediately recognizes a style, a form, content ... coming from Northern/Western/central Europe, as distinctly Germanic.

Antagonizing the Christians -or any other religious group at Skadi- is like hitting your own toes with a hammer, as the Skadi Christians would very much agree with you on anything else besides religious questions.

How are we going to spiritually re-awaken Germanics,
who worship a crucified Jew,
killed by his own people?

I don't know, but you're not gonna be very successful if you throw them out and launch an antichristian campaign, right?

It doesn't look as if anybody has to worry about whatever sort of spiritual reawakening since it's doubtful that there are gonna be Germanics left 200 or 300 years from now, who could potentially adhere to any sort of faith.