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  • In my view, the Holy Spirit stems from both the Father and the Son.

    6 18.75%
  • In my view, the Holy Spirit stems only from the Father.

    9 28.13%
  • I've another view on the Holy Trinity (please explain it).

    8 25.00%
  • I'm unsure/I don't care.

    9 28.13%
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    Your View on the Holy Trinity?

    Do you believe the Holy Spirit stems from both the Father and the Son, or only from the Father? We know this controversy caused the Great Schism between the Eastern and Western Churches.

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    I don't care.

    I'm roman catholic, which tells it stems from both, but i don't think that other christian views are worse or better.
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    I'm Orthodox, and I hold to the original teaching that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilgrim View Post
    I'm Orthodox, and I hold to the original teaching that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father alone.
    In accordance with what source?

    The Bible certainly doesn't say that only from the Father does the Spirit stem.

    Indeed, it seems much more likely that they are all of one personage, with three representations. As humans, our minds are vastly limited, and it is easier to comprehend the fullness, totality, and completeness of God, if we can seperate His one person into recognizable concepts.

    The Father is the divine Creator, that watches over us, the Spirit is His intangible manifestation, and the Son is God's form made flesh, but all three are quite the same being.
    "So, yes, we are better than others. Our worldviews are better than those of others. This does not need to be universally true, it is enough when it is true for us." - velvet

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    In fact, it does.

    26But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
    -John15:26.

    Nothing in scripture teaches that the Spirit proceeds from the Father alone. The filioque teaching only appeared in writings by Augustine, and was accepted by the western Church at the local Council of Toledo. As late as the 11th century, the Church of Rome rejected the filioque, one Pope having it engraved in Greek and Latin in the original form. The doctrine that there is only one Person in the Godhead and not three persons of one essence is most certainly not a Christian one. There is the Father, the Son, eternally begotten from Him, and the Spirit eternally preceeding from Him. This is the constant witness of the Scripture, the Fathers, the Councils and the Church.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilgrim View Post
    The doctrine that there is only one Person in the Godhead and not three persons of one essence is most certainly not a Christian one.
    Hmm, I'm a Christian, and I subscribe to this belief, so it quite seems like your statement is disproven. Sorry.
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    let me clarify, an Orthodox Christian doctrine, taught by the historic, predenominational Orthodox Church.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilgrim View Post
    let me clarify, an Orthodox Christian doctrine, taught by the historic, predenominational Orthodox Church.
    Thanks, the clarification makes more sense.
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    I am a non-Christian, but I believe there are coherent philosophical telelogical mechanisms behind a system of believing in a redeeming embodied persona as a supreme deity, along with a holy spirit and a creator. There are several views that are at least thoughtful and interesting: modalism, patripassianism, that the father died in place of the son to transfer his essence while on the cross so that his son did not die (the holy spirit, to still exist, must have transferred to the son).

    Other Christian differences like Legalism versus Antinomianism interest me too.

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    The Holy Trinity deals with ways how to grasp God's reality, namely:

    1. The father: The foundation of everything that exists.

    2. The son: The effect of the deeds of the guided people.

    3. The holy ghost: The divine inspiration.

    God can be thought existing in these three ways: as a reason for why things exist, as a shaping force of history and as individual guidance.

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