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    Post Re: Irish and Swedes.

    Um, then why does it appear that haplotypes are a pre-phenotype issue?

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    Post Re: Irish and Swedes.

    An Irish girl I consider to be a good example of a Paleoatlantid

    http://www.andreacorr.cjb.net/


    Um, then why does it appear that haplotypes are a pre-phenotype issue?
    What do you mean?

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    Post Re: Irish and Swedes.

    I still dont get the Irish-Swedish connection you're talking about. Paleo-Atlantids (under their various names) are peppered throughout Northern Europe and the Mediteranean.
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    Post Re: Irish and Swedes.

    You sure you are talking about Paleoatlantids?
    They are usually found along the western seaboard (Iberian peninsula, British Isles and Ireland, western coast of Norway,etc)

    But yeah, it's not that great a connection, it's all I could think of though

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    Post Re: Irish and Swedes.

    Indeed i was talking of paleo-atlantids, although saying they are peppered throughout Northern Europe may have been an overstatement. As you said, they are found in the British isles, Norway and Denmark with reasonable frequency.

    My question was aimed primarily at Rodskarl, so i dont really expect you to be able to answer questions about his posts.

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    Post Re: Irish and Swedes.

    Actually, I think I meant that how was it that there could be Brunn AND Tydal in Scandinavia before agriculture?

    Or Brunn AND Atlantid in the Isles before agriculture?

    Or?
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    Post Re: Irish and Swedes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall
    Is this a Brunn UP? Please describe in detail.
    My brother and I have been classified here in the racial classification forum as Brunn UP. Robust Nordid so to speak.

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    Post Re: Irish and Swedes.

    Considering the fact that both Ireland and Sweden have people whose genes were longer without the fermentation of alcoholic beverages until more recently in prehistory, it might make sense for them to have such problems.

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    Post Re: Irish and Swedes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall
    Do you know where I can find a pic of a Tydal? I might have that in my mixture.

    What's the difference between the phenotype level vs haplotype?

    RusViking, are you absolutely sure of your ancestry? I found that my forefathers are from Roslagen, but without a genetic classification system, just historical studies, geographical references and personal records of my clan's expansion from Uppland to Northumberland. I am graced with a saga reference to my home. It is so funny that my forefathers came to RHODE ISLAND as well.
    I would not rely on pictures too much. The haplotype and population data however is definitive - as far as we know now....everything is changing in this new science. UP seems to be always mixed with the locals so the look would change. I am sure there is a difference in phenotype dependent on the geographical area.

    I am not absolutely sure about my origins but I hazard a good guess, based on a variety of data sources.

    I would like to hear of the saga source.

    However, if you have the specific haplotype I have, your origins are definitely UP.... old European....could be now Basque, Irish, Canary Islands' Gaunches (original aborigines), Roslagen/Uppland, Croatia, Western France and other places yet to be discovered. I think there is a Neanderthal connection also.

    My website at www.clanrossi.com will give you my take on the whole thing. Follow Rick's haplotype for info on UP Brunn, and a picture from Coon out of Gotland, Sweden exemplifying the Brunn type.

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