View Poll Results: What's your stance on intra-Germanic mixing?

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  • It's acceptable / I don't mind it.

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  • It's acceptable only as long as it's not done in big numbers.

    48 32.43%
  • It's unacceptable. Each should stay with his own ethnic group.

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    While it is practical to generally reject mixing with a foreign people, it is not practical to generally admit mixing with a related people.
    This should be seen on an individual basis, it is certainly possible in some cases, but not as a general rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Out of Germania View Post
    Nation hasn't only a biological basis, culture, mentality and soil are relevant too, so to pretend that an Anglo-Danish or Anglo-German relationship wouldn't be mixing or is excusable for that reason is to ignore any kind of national aspect.
    Race has a biological basis, but ethnicity/nationality has a political basis, often dictated by borders and political entities like states. Is there really that much genetic difference between an Austrian, a German and a Swiss? A Fleming, a Luxembourger or a Dutch person? An Saxon from England, one from Germany or one from the Netherlands? A Dane from Denmark or from Schleswig in Germany? In some cases, there are closer ties between different nationalities and regions than within the same country. An Austrian and a Bavarian feel closer to each other than a Bavarian and a Prussian. A Low Saxon and a Netherlander feel closer than a Low Saxon and a Bavarian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gefjon View Post
    Race has a biological basis, but ethnicity/nationality has a political basis, often dictated by borders and political entities like states. Is there really that much genetic difference between an Austrian, a German and a Swiss? A Fleming, a Luxembourger or a Dutch person? An Saxon from England, one from Germany or one from the Netherlands? A Dane from Denmark or from Schleswig in Germany? In some cases, there are closer ties between different nationalities and regions than within the same country. An Austrian and a Bavarian feel closer to each other than a Bavarian and a Prussian. A Low Saxon and a Netherlander feel closer than a Low Saxon and a Bavarian.
    I’m sure you’ll find 99% of people on here won’t feel like ethnicity is generally defined by lines drawn on a map.

    When we speak of Germans, outside of a context specifical to the FDR, we speak usually of all the Germans be they in Austria, South Tyrol, German-Switzerland, Luxembourg, Eupen-Malmedy or the FDR. Sure, even those subgroups have their regional peculiarities but which people doesn’t? For Germans they might be more pronounced because we’re more than 80 million people spread over a large area, as opposed to <10 million in a smaller area.
    That the differences within the former will be greater than within the latter, should be logical.

    Neither is there much of a difference between Dutch and Flemings, though, they’re two tribes, themselves made up of subgroups, within a single people. You could even argue, that the Netherlanders are a subgroup of Germans because they shared much of the same history and have a West Germanic language and culture. But for historical reasons they’re undoubtedly separate nowadays since about the 17th century.

    No one will argue either though, that people of Germanic ethnicities bordering on each other, are more likely to feel connection with someone 800 kms away, who is of the same people, than with someone from a related Germanic people, who lives mere 10 kms away. There is always a certain continuum between Germanic peoples, where intermixture also happened, unlike between Germanic and non-Germanic peoples.

    But the same is already not the case anymore, for say “a Saxon from England, one from Germany or one from the Netherlands”. We’re not living in the 6th century anymore and our peoples have largely gone separate ways, the difference between the former and the two latter is even bigger than between the latter two, as the split happened a thousand years earlier. A modern Englishman is also much more genetically mixed with British Celtic than a German is with Continental Celtic and not even these Celtic substrates are genetically the same.

    This point gets even more pronounced with modern Colonials, who, on average, aren’t only mixed between the different Germanic peoples but also with British Celts(more so than the average Englishman), Frenchmen, Slavs etc. Of course there are exceptions though, with people that have a pure or almost pure background.

    I’m a bit fed up with Colonials trying to justify mixing with arguments that there basically exist(ed) different peoples within the German area and even attack Germans over it.
    I know you didn’t do or say this, Gefjon but Gardisten and others did did:
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    [...] Germany, like the US, is very much a product of inter-ethnic mixing; if you subscribe to the notion that the current Germany and its (Americanized) "culture" is what needs to be preserved, then essentially you're being little more than a hypocrite. One can only wonder why you're so adamant about this; it always seems as though those that scream the loudest about certain things have something to hide. Care to enlighten us as to what your impeccable German ancestry is? Was the father of your child also from "Brandenburg" and what is his ancestry?
    Quote Originally Posted by Gardisten View Post
    [...] seems to suggest that you yourself seem to think that "ancestral background is... inconsequential" to some extent. Moreover, any basic understanding of German history and genealogy should make one aware that Germany/central Europe very much has been a "melting pot". I wonder just how "pure" your own ancestry is...
    It’s not like Germans before 1871 spoke Celtic/Latin in West/South Germany, Slavic in the East and Norse in Northern Germany and had accompanying genetics and cultures. The genetic basis is everywhere Germanic, with closely related minor Continental Celtic substrates in the West/South and even more minor Slavic in the East. To compare 1.000 to 1.500 years old substrates, that have been evened out, to recent mixture is ridiculous.

    The differences within Germans(especially within those of the FDR) are surprisingly small for such a numerous people and smaller than those to any other Germanic group, as proven by extremely low FST distances.

    To cut a long story short, I’m all for close cooperation in any case but the intermixture, even if it won’t be much of a problem genetically, should be kept to a minimum and certainly not “free for all”. We have to treat this matter pretty much on an individual basis and look at the ancestry and the will to assimilate, of the person concerned.

    If it happens, the foreign partner should try to integrate into the local culture as much as possible, even though that can never really happen unless you’re born into it. The children should be brought up with nothing but the local culture from the beginning.
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    Germanic people are similar on a genetic level, and modern Germanic nations are a result of the mixing of some Germanic tribes, so I accept it in moderation under some circumstance. It's fine if a Dane marries a Norwegian or a Swede, even an Englishman or a German, if it was my situation I'd accept it, but prefer for the child to speak Danish or bilingual.

    Germanics and Nordics can be assimilated in Denmark, and Danes can be assimilated in other Nordic/Germanic countries. Some Danes accept other Europeans/Westerners, I think Southern and Eastern Europeans are more difficult to assimilate, so I draw the line at Germanic and Nordic.

    However any mixing shouldn't be done in high numbers, we already have a problem with multiculturalism so we need to reinforce a national character. The standard should be each to their own.

    So my vote was "It's acceptable only as long as it's not done in big numbers."

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