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Thread: Horten 229 Nazi Stealth Jet Could Have Won War for Hitler

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    Lightbulb Horten 229 Nazi Stealth Jet Could Have Won War for Hitler

    With its radar-absorbing carbon impregnated plywood skin and swept-back single wing, the 1944 Horton Ho 229 was arguably the first stealth aircraft.



    The US Stealth bomber: Based on a 1944 German design


    The US military made one available to Northrop Aviation, the company which would produce the $2bn B-2 Stealth bomber - to all intents and purposes a modern clone of the Horten - a generation later.

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    Post Re: B2 Stealth bomber - carbon copy of a 1944 Nazi design.

    The Ho9 also had recessed air intakes which disabled radar reflection from the front. This was another feature copied by the Americans for the B2. Unfortunately, the production version, made by Gotha and called the Gotha 229, used different and longer engines so the Gotha 229's intakes could not be recessed.

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    Who Actually invented the Stealth Fighter/Bomber

    Who Actually invented the Stealth Fighter/Bomber ?

    Most people look at the modern B-2 Stealth Bomber or the F-117. Fighter an believe that it was the US that invented this concept in Aviation, But the reality is the Idea of a flying wing Jet Powered aircraft that was invisible to radar has been around since the end of WW2. Even more strange is that it was the Germans that invented the Concept.




    At the End of WW2 the German's were developing an extremely futuristic fighter bomber aircraft. and the larger Bomber version would have had the ability to Bomb the US mainland directly.

    Check it out here: http://www.luft46.com/horten/ho18b.html

    The Allies had nothing like this and, would not have until the Late 1980's. The Germans solved the Radar Problem by building the plane out of thin layers of Plywood, as opposed the the high-tech Plastics that are used in the Modern Stealth Aircraft.

    They devised a Flying Wing that would give an extremely low profile and reduce Wind drag to a minim. In fact the Germans were proposing a larger version that would have been able to attack the US mainland directly without refueling and return to Germany on bombing raids. One of the main reasons the Germans Lost WW2 was their lack of ability to attack the US factories that were pouring out fighter Aircraft on Germany unscathed, by Bombing Raids.

    Such a Plane would have changed that, and the course of WW2, had it been introduced sooner and in numbers. Unfortunately by the time the Germans had the plane built and test flown, the Allies were already on the ground in Germany.


    Gotha Go 229 or Ho 229


    The Rusting Hulk of the Gotha Go 229 or Ho 229 at the Smithsonian Museum.





    This plane is still a very futuristic looking aircraft, even by today's standards.


    Gotha Go 229 or Ho 229

    Performance

    * Maximum speed: Mach 0.92, 977 km/h (607 mph) at 12,000 m (39,370 ft)
    * Combat radius: 1,000 km (620 mi)
    * Ferry range: 1,900 km (1,180 mi)
    * Service ceiling: 16,000 m (52,000 ft)
    * Rate of climb: 22 m/s (4,330 ft/min)
    * Wing loading: 137.7 kg/m² (28.2 lb/ft²)
    * Thrust/weight: 0.26


    Modern F-117


    Performance

    * Maximum speed: Mach 0.92 (617 mph, 993 km/h)
    * Cruise speed: Mach 0.92
    * Range: 930 NM[31] (1720 km)
    * Service ceiling: 69,000 ft (20,000 m)
    * Wing loading: 65 lb/ft² (330 kg/m²)
    * Thrust/weight: 0.40


    Modern B-2 Stealth Bomber

    Performance

    * Maximum speed: 410 knots (760 km/h, 470 mph)
    * Range: 5,600 nm (10,400 km, 6,400 mi)
    * Service ceiling: 50,000 ft (15,000 m)
    * Wing loading: 67.3 lb/ft² (329 kg/m²)
    * Thrust/weight: 0.205

    If you check out the Stats it is still formidable even compared to the Modern Aircraft.



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    Germany also invented during the war Cruise. guided, infrared, heat-seeking, air ro air, air to ground, ground to air, ballistic missiles.

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    Not to mention the variable-incidence wing concept (or "swing wing," ala F-14 Tomcat):

    The "experimental" Bell X-5 was essentially a rebuilt Messerschmitt P.1101...





    (the second photo is just a model, but positioned to illustrate the similarity)

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    Who Actually invented the Stealth Fighter/Bomber

    Something that not many people know is that the project was later developed again during 1st Peron's presidence in Argentina as a German-Argentinian developement with the German scientists that emmigrated after the WWII.
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    Well it is no secret that Aerospace Technology is and has been the domain of Germanic Cultures since its beginning.

    The current NASA is a real joke, and Werner Von Bron would be turning in his grave if he were to know that they can't even keep their astronauts sober long enough to launch a Space Shuttle.
    Or even worse they have female Astronauts that will drive cross country with a Rope and pepper spray to try and kidnap the shuttle commander's other Girl Friend.

    In fact I will go even further, Germanic's are probably the foundation of Technology as we know it in the modern world, if you accept things like the Swiss and their watch industries.

    The Swiss Watch Industry's was a mainstay until the arrival of electronic watches in the mid 1970's.

    And still mechanical watches and instruments are a marvel of mechanical engineering.

    The reality is that America follows a ridiculous, liberal morality and subjects the real people that are contributors to society to an educated Slave status.

    I hate to say it but National Socialism, would not have allowed that to happen. And it would not have promoted the down right ignorant to leadership positions like the Post War American Liberals did.

    As such we might have had a better society today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EQ Fighter View Post
    Well it is no secret that Aerospace Technology is and has been the domain of Germanic Cultures since its beginning.
    Not only aeronautics but every kind of machinery, from blenders to automobiles!
    Germans mastered it all, with only the Japanese as true competitors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EQ Fighter View Post
    Who Actually invented the Stealth Fighter/Bomber.
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    Even more strange is that it was the Germans that invented the Concept.
    The Flying Wing concept was developed by Jack Northrop before German technology was captured by American forces.

    http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/northrop.html
    http://www.century-of-flight.net/Avi...s/northrop.htm
    http://www.strange-mecha.com/aircraft/FW/Northrop.htm

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    It's fairly ovious that with the refeocussing on the military and science that the Nazis had put into place, in contrast to the rest of the west which had in many ways disarmed, that if the war had started in 1945 as Hitler has intended, then there would have been no stopping them.

    Seriously though, can't people simply have an interesting discussions about German inventiveness without getting into "if only the Nazis had won WWII then we would all have the wonders of National Socialism" for the millionth time?

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