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    All of nature inevitably ends in tragedy, as I see it.

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    Utopia for who? The society most people today seem to want to live in is nothing short of hell in my opinion, whilst the kind of society I want to live in would be nothing short of hell to most people living today. Conservatives are by their nature more inclined to accept some imperfections and flaws in a society as long as the foundation stays the same, they are generally (unless they find themselves in a society hijacked by radicals) content with the way things were in the past, are in the present, and are looking at what once was as a guide for how things should be moving forward rather than day dreaming about the future. Liberals/socialists/progressives on the other hand, who are unhappy with the way things are now, have been in the past, and are instead using future-yet-to-be-realized dream scenarios as their mark for societal success, will never become satisfied and for them utopia will always remain just that, an unattainable state with no bearing in reality, history or humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrioten View Post
    Utopia for who? The society most people today seem to want to live in is nothing short of hell in my opinion, whilst the kind of society I want to live in would be nothing short of hell to most people living today. Conservatives are by their nature more inclined to accept some imperfections and flaws in a society as long as the foundation stays the same, they are generally (unless they find themselves in a society hijacked by radicals) content with the way things were in the past, are in the present, and are looking at what once was as a guide for how things should be moving forward rather than day dreaming about the future.
    Indeed, unlike the others, conservatives a have a realistic view of human nature and the dangers of social engineering.

    Liberals/socialists/progressives on the other hand, who are unhappy with the way things are now, have been in the past, and are instead using future-yet-to-be-realized dream scenarios as their mark for societal success, will never become satisfied and for them utopia will always remain just that, an unattainable state with no bearing in reality, history or humanity.
    These people also show a marked willingness to sacrifice present generations to achieve their absurd vision of the future.

    The cultural Marxist intellectuals and politicians in our present societies obviously don't give a damn about all the rapes, murder and criminal activities brought by immigration, because in their eyes it is worth it for us to suffer so future generations can enjoy "heaven on earth."

    Naturally, most of these pro-multicultural elites rearrange the social furniture of our societies from safe, gated communities, far away from the mayhem they are inflicting upon us. It's truly infuriating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrioten View Post
    Utopia for who? The society most people today seem to want to live in is nothing short of hell in my opinion, whilst the kind of society I want to live in would be nothing short of hell to most people living today. Conservatives are by their nature more inclined to accept some imperfections and flaws in a society as long as the foundation stays the same, they are generally (unless they find themselves in a society hijacked by radicals) content with the way things were in the past, are in the present, and are looking at what once was as a guide for how things should be moving forward rather than day dreaming about the future. Liberals/socialists/progressives on the other hand, who are unhappy with the way things are now, have been in the past, and are instead using future-yet-to-be-realized dream scenarios as their mark for societal success, will never become satisfied and for them utopia will always remain just that, an unattainable state with no bearing in reality, history or humanity.
    Conservation belongs in museums. Our race should be heading towards progress, attained through science and technology. That is the future.

    I don't think utopias exist, only what we make happen exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    Conservation belongs in museums. Our race should be heading towards progress, attained through science and technology. That is the future.
    Don't worry, you will have your "progress". I am nothing more than a harmless dinosaur, my words hold no sway and my ideas are hopelessly outdated. The future belongs to the radicals, that much is clear. Whether you will be satisfied with the end result is a different matter, all I know is I wont be leaving any children behind to experience your creation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrioten View Post
    Don't worry, you will have your "progress". I am nothing more than a harmless dinosaur, my words hold no sway and my ideas are hopelessly outdated. The future belongs to the radicals, that much is clear. Whether you will be satisfied with the end result is a different matter, all I know is I wont be leaving any children behind to experience your creation.
    As I said before, culture is not static, it's dynamic. Any rudimentary study of history should tell you that. Our ancestors from the primitive age had a different kind of lifestyle, so it is logical that our descendants will have a different one too. We cannot stop evolution. We can only manipulate the direction it goes in. As a racist and nationalist, I want it to go in a racial and national direction. In a simple example, "conservatives" would refuse to leave planet Earth in future, and risk to become extinct like the dinosaurs. As the superior race, we must use our intelligence unlike the dinosaurs, to find a new environment for our kind when planet Earth disappears. This is not a futuristic utopia, it can easily become reality. We placed a man on the moon, and in future we will be able to colonize it and other planets with some effort.

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    I wonder if we work as hard teaching as trying to leave the planet would we want to leave?

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    Quote Originally Posted by velvet View Post
    Utopia is the dream of something highly unlikely and build on an almost endless list of fullfilled conditions.
    Unlikely, but not impossible
    Hmm, in the literal sense utopia (Gk. ou "not" + topos "place") means "nowhere". That's the equivalent of inexistent, so strictly impossible in my view. When we say something is utopian, we mean it's unrealistic, only possible in the fiction, on paper, but not in the reality. Otherwise the meaning isn't the same anymore. Sometime in the past human flying was considered utopian, but because it became possible, it can't be utopian anymore, that's what I meant in my original post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siebenbürgerin View Post
    Hmm, in the literal sense utopia (Gk. ou "not" + topos "place") means "nowhere". That's the equivalent of inexistent, so strictly impossible in my view. When we say something is utopian, we mean it's unrealistic, only possible in the fiction, on paper, but not in the reality. Otherwise the meaning isn't the same anymore. Sometime in the past human flying was considered utopian, but because it became possible, it can't be utopian anymore, that's what I meant in my original post.
    I dont disagree with that, basically.
    But when you take 'utopian' literally, then that would mean 'inexistent society' (as the thread question was utopian society). And the meaning has lost its literality, specially when you attach it as an attribute to something else, e.g. society, then it would be a self-answering question, a nonexistent society cannot exist. It would be a paradox.

    So I took the question as for an ideal society. In theory, an ideal society can exist, if all and every member would have the very same opinions, wishes, goals, perceptions of right and wrong etc. and behave accordingly. In reality this though refers to the 'almost endless list of fullfilled conditions', that simply cant be fullfilled in a society context, because you wont even find two humans who agree on half of their opinions, let alone the complete set agreed to by a whole bunch of humans. So society means basically compromise, and a compromise can never be 'ideal' or perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J Baughman View Post
    I wonder if we work as hard teaching as trying to leave the planet would we want to leave?
    If we wanted to preserve the existence of our race in future, we will want to. We can teach our race as much as we want about preservation, but that can't stop nature from taking its course. Earth will be destroyed billions of years from now. A responsible racialist thinks in terms of billions of years, not only about his existence. Isn't that why we have children, to ensure that our race continues to be preserved? In the same tone, without embracing science and technology, we will not be able to achieve perpetuation if we remain caught in the (ignorant) past.

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