Perceptions of the USA, Its Present and Future Status in the Germanic World

[Ward]

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IMO, Germany's survival today is totally entwined with that of other whites around the world. Germany will never be able to be nationalistic again, never mind build a strong military, without the approval of countries like the U.S., U.K., and Russia.

Military and surveillance technology has become so sophisticated that it would be virtually impossible for Germany to re-arm in secret. And for most of the "sheeple" throughout Europe and the Anglosphere, and even in Germany itself, the prospect of another fully independent, assertive, nationalistic, and militarized Germany conjures so much panic and horror that the entire German people would very likely be pounded into the ground by nuclear weapons if there was even remote evidence of them going in that direction again.

That may sound harsh and extreme, but I think that is the sad reality right now and I'm not optimistic it will change anytime soon.

[Hauke Haien]

IMO, Germany's survival today is totally entwined with that of other whites around the world.

Yes, and it is this development that has to be reversed.

Germany will never be able to be nationalistic again, never mind build a strong military, without the approval of countries like the U.S., U.K., and Russia.

The UK is nearly irrelevant, Russia is fighting for its own survival and has no interest in opposing us, and the US is the enemy itself. Opposing it is a non-optional necessity for our independence, a precondition for our biological continuity and our ability to project our power over others.

And for most of the "sheeple" throughout Europe and the Anglosphere, and even in Germany itself, the prospect of another fully independent, assertive, nationalistic, and militarized Germany conjures so much panic and horror that the entire German people would very likely be pounded into the ground by nuclear weapons if there was even remote evidence of them going in that direction again.

The Soviet Union was not destroyed this way, because of its capability to retaliate with massive destruction. Merchants do not like getting killed, so they only wage war against countries that cannot do that. Unfortunately, nuclear deterrence on the other side has also made it difficult to exploit this properly. The key is to deprive the United States of economic opportunities and allies, a process that should speed up if it weakens internally, but the Soviet Union found it impossible to achieve.

That may sound harsh and extreme, but I think that is the sad reality right now and I'm not optimistic it will change anytime soon.

Our destruction by the West is an on-going process that seems to progress at a faster rate than in other Western territories, which is why there is more pressure on us than there would have been if their self-congratulatory suicide had outpaced ours. Nevertheless, this is not a matter of optimism vs. pessimism, it is about having the principles and qualities that allow "a community of physically and psychically homogeneous creatures" to prevail under any circumstances, even if that community should be reduced to a small number of families as time goes on.

[Ward]

Yes, and it is this development that has to be reversed.

To be honest, I don't even understand why you participate on an international forum.

[Hauke Haien]

In order to discuss various topics relevant to Germanics.

Skadi Forum acknowledges the differences between Germanic cultural branches, such as the Anglo-Saxon, the German, the Netherlandic, and the Scandinavian, and supports their future advancement and their regional diversification in accordance with their nature.

[Ward]

In order to discuss various topics relevant to Germanics.

Yet it must aggravate you that Americans are on here. A lot of your posts express outright hostility towards Americans. Take your words above, for example. Instead of wishing for America to become an ally in Germanic preservation, you seek to "deprive the United States of economic opportunities and allies, a process that should speed up if it weakens internally, but the Soviet Union found it impossible to achieve."

[Nachtengel]

Yet it must aggravate you that Americans are on here. A lot of your posts express outright hostility towards Americans. Take your words above, for example. Instead of wishing for America to become an ally in Germanic preservation, you seek to "deprive the United States of economic opportunities and allies, a process that should speed up if it weakens internally, but the Soviet Union found it impossible to achieve."

So your negro president and the millions of non-whites and mischlings represent what Germanic preservation stands for? The United States represents the interests of Israel, not Germanics. The US is an enemy of Germanic racialism, including of its own Germanic countrymen, and before you ask, yes, so is the FRG. The US is going to be predominantly non-white in another 50 years. It has far more immigrants than any European nation. It's impossible for it to become an ally in Germanic preservation.

[Jäger]

Instead of wishing for America to become an ally in Germanic preservation, you seek to "deprive the United States of economic opportunities and allies, a process that should speed up if it weakens internally, but the Soviet Union found it impossible to achieve."

It is not in our interest to be dependent on any state, for any reason.

The problem with the US is the admiring perception of it, through the eyes of even their most fierce critic. E.g. you could never insult me, by insulting the FRG, my only reaction to the FRG is my wish for its complete destruction.
Yet, most (racialist) Americans think what they have is perfectly fine, with just minor adjustments necessary, e.g. like getting rid of Negroes, that the very system they once created, might be responsible for the direction America has been heading the past couple of decades, rarely occurs to them.

As long as America is anti-Germanic, it must be destroyed as much as the FRG, do you disagree?

[Hauke Haien]

The idea that we should submit ourselves to the rule of others is lacking in honour and dignity; it is also lacking in wisdom, because our ethnic identity, or any Germanic identity, is of no concern to the nation of world citizens. We would have been better off as a Swedish dominion then.

The early Germanic tribes have also fought each other happily, which did not mean that they denied the Germanic character of their opponents. The reasons were sometimes petty, in other cases they were of high importance. As has been pointed out, it is very likely that German efforts to restore the German people will be opposed by other Germanics and I believe there is nothing besides glory in breaking their resistance.

Germanic Americans are of course free to make their own attempts at solving their own problems, but the German people need not assume any responsibility for the successes and failures of such efforts. We have to focus on repairing the damage inflicted on us by the American people, which has on-going consequences for our ability to ensure our continuity.

[Vindefense]

The father who tears his own son down destroys his best friend and strongest ally and severs his only link to immortality.

Let us consider this scenario. Instead of making assumptions based on our narrow interpretation of the present, let us widen our view.

There are two trees growing in the vast cosmic soil. They are both of the same root, although one is far older. One is American the other German, from which the former is the paternal descendant. They do not grow in identical conditions nor are they identical in appearance. The older tree has roots that penetrate deep into the soil and were numerous and strong. It has branches that were once thick and sound. For many years it has enjoyed the privilege of growing in an unadaulterated state. It's identity was easily preserved due to geography and early science. Upon it's branches many seeds have flourished. When it was younger it grew mighty in a climate of adversity which has allowed it to persevere for many years. This, despite the many attempts against it recently to bring it down. But it is old, and these attacks have left it weak and injured. Because it is ancient it's life is fading. It no longer produces seed. New attacks against it will prove disastrous. It's vanishing strength means it is not likely to survive the coming onslaught of new parasites. Hungry parasites. It's strength has been corrupted by time, it's greatest enemy.

The younger tree is dwarfed by the older trees magnificence. This tree is much younger, and has had less time to spread roots. The forces of chaos set to work upon it immediately. In fact the attacks against it have not subsided since it's germination. (no pun intended) It fights for it's very survival. It's identity, under attack since day one by parasites. But it has grown strong as well. It has withstood the harsh winds of war through the ages. Each day it grows stronger, and more focused. Attempts against it have only firmed it's stance. The constant threat of adversity has driven it to greatness. Most important, the weak aspects of the tree are discarded into a great melting pot fashioned solely for that purpose. There they melt into dross where the strong are separated from the weak. But it has had to concentrate the whole of it's life effort to maintain it's identity and has produced little seed because of it.

Because this tree is of good seed, the fire and chaos that it was born under have only served to strengthen it. Much the same way the parent tree grew strong early in it's life. It's roots are young and vigorous, parasites attack them but they are still firm. The branches are vibrant and sound, the parasite gnaws these as well and has done considerable damage. The tree that was once young and naive, is only now beginning to realize the danger that it faces internally. It needs only to turn inward now to oppose this, which it will. When the old tree is rotten and engulfed in decay, the new tree will have yet many years ahead of it and in the new the old will live on.

[velvet]

When the old tree is rotten and engulfed in decay, the new tree will have yet many years ahead of it and in the new the old will live on.

Nice written, a bit over the top theatralic, but nice anyway

But your allegory has a weak point, since the two trees do not grow in the same forest, there is really no need for the old tree to die and to make room for the young, as you suggest.

Instead of looking envy at each other and fight an imagined fight for room, we should both care for own forest, there is enough to clean.

I dont see any resentiments against Americans, only against the current manifestation of the states system, which is not only hostile to the old tree (to stay in the picture), but also to its own branches (the originally Germanic people who carried it to the new forest, if you want). And after all, this sickened manifestation has created a worm that eats our roots, and that's why our tree is ill.

But this worm is hungry, and it will not stop eating when it has killed our roots, then it will go on to the next tree, and that is yours. If by any chance possible, we should side to fight this worm (call it the multiculturalist and anti rooted identity agenda), so that both our trees will survive