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  • The whites will no longer take it and will rebel

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    Quote Originally Posted by infratetraskelion View Post
    …South Africa…. Battleground...final stages of a Global movement.
    Quote Originally Posted by infratetraskelion View Post
    A deliberate destruction of Western Culture.
    …caused by Racism and Apartheid, but we know this is not true.
    What are you saying mate? What battle field? What Global movement?
    No one is trying to destroy “Western Culture” in South Africa and apartheid was caused by white Afrikaaners racism and not because of any other colour or culture.

    Quote Originally Posted by infratetraskelion View Post
    …with Black occupation and Slaughter. How likely is this?
    Yeah African black people are occupying their own land they were born and bred on. Think carefully on what you are saying.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rooikat View Post
    The history books as we know it will be a thing of the past in the near future. The SA government…in power can rewrite
    You maybe correct that the present government has the power to re-write the history but we have a Bill of Rights today.
    I recollect the apartheid government doing what you are accusing today’s government may do. The old system hid the trueth from its people and spreading lies and propaganda still believed by the ignorant today.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rooikat View Post
    …white communities all over the world is in danger, not only in SA.
    These white communities are in danger of what exactly??

    Quote Originally Posted by Gary in TX View Post
    SA Whites will rebel… without international support … bred out of existence… .
    I hope you don’t blame people who read what you are saying and “label individuals like you as extremists and oddballs?” If so I would be shocked.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gary in TX View Post
    Socialists and Liberals the attitude seems to be that they deserve whatever happens to them.
    Are you suggesting that political Extremists, Radicals, Realists, Democrats, Conservatives don’t deserve what they may get?

    Quote Originally Posted by Teuton View Post
    The English youth are being forced to integrate with the black at school .
    Teuton as apartheid and its evils are extinct but exist in certain people’s imaginations we South Africans being English, Portuguese, Dutch Italian, Afrikaan, German or French etc. are not forced to do anything by anyone.
    I’ve met both whites and blacks with questionable morals but I do not blame the colour or culture but the person. Maybe I’m the exception in thinking that people should be judged on what they say and do rather than what colour their parents happen to be.




    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post
    I think a core of hardline Afrikaners can take over the country .
    Sorry to bust your bubble but this will never ever happen. The Afrikaner had their chance to rule this country and failed dismally.


    Quote Originally Posted by Æmeric View Post
    So I do believe that without outside interference a minority of White South Africans can retake control of South Africa.
    Let’s say this imposable dream of yours actually did take control of the country. Firstly very, very few whites support a return to the old Afrikaans system of apartheid under a one party dictatorship.
    Secondly this radical Afrikaans minority you talk about can never hope to rule for very long without being disposed of either physically or isolated politically and internationally.

    Quote Originally Posted by Horagalles View Post
    churches, preaching the false gospel of egalitarianism and non-resistance to political fraud and crime .
    If you lived in this country during the apartheid years you would had been surprised to see the same but opposite. The NG church was a “religious” order that controlled what we were allowed to think, say and do. All politicians in the ruling party of the day had to be a member of this church. The NG preached hated speech and political bull from the pulpit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Horagalles View Post
    to my knowledge this has never been done yet - would be to stand up in churches and call the preachers liars and hypocrites that will burn in hell, if they continue to spread their false prophecy and teaching.
    When the Afrikaans ruled this country to say anything that dispeased them would have been a prison sentence no question.
    Today we South Africans have a National Constitution and freedom of speech so can tell anyone with good reason what we think of them and their teachings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacAdder View Post
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    If you lived in this country during the apartheid years you would had been surprised to see the same but opposite. The NG church was a “religious” order that controlled what we were allowed to think, say and do. All politicians in the ruling party of the day had to be a member of this church. The NG preached hated speech and political bull from the pulpit.
    That is not true and I find this statement rather strange coming from someone that admittedly is not even able to read Afrikaans.
    http://forums.skadi.net/showpost.php...7&postcount=35

    I'm confident that you will not be able to give me even one single case were the NG church did preach "hate speech" let alone that this was condoned by them.

    Quote Originally Posted by MacAdder View Post
    When the Afrikaans ruled this country to say anything that dispeased them would have been a prison sentence no question.
    Today we South Africans have a National Constitution and freedom of speech so can tell anyone with good reason what we think of them and their teachings.
    ....You do not only have an idea what the situation in the past was. You are also wrong about what is going on right now. Firstly itst "the Afrikaners". Furthermore there are "Equality Courts" which also may put you on trial for things you may have said or expressed. Not to forget that there have been actions by the South African Human Rights commission, who also undertook some things that can be seen as infringements on freedom of expression and freedom of association.
    10. Fishman v Barkhuizen, White River Equality Court, Mpumalanga

    The complainant, a Jew, woke up to find his neighbour, Mr. Barkhuizen (the respondent) had painted the wall of his own house(the respondent's wall) which is facing the complainant's shop with a swastika and words" hubrizo mamzer". The words mean Jewish bastard. The respondent admitted to painting the wall as part of an artistic mural and that he was exercising his right to freedom of expression. This conduct was found to be hate speech by the Equality Court.
    http://www.sahrc.org.za/sahrc_cms/do...%20Process.doc
    That so-called constitution isn't even worth the paper it is written on.
    "And God proclaims as a first principle to the rulers, and above all else, that there is nothing which they should so anxiously guard, or of which they are to be such good guardians, as of the purity of the race. They should observe what elements mingle in their offspring;..." Plato Politeia

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    I believe the whites there who can't leave for whatever reason will gradually be killed, and bred out through miscegenation(rape). That's what the entire Germanic/White diaspora is in for if things keep going the way they have for the past few decades.
    There are people out there who seem to think Whites around the world are eventually going to take a stand against non-white immigration, or the dismantling of the white power structures of their countries. It doesn't look like that's going to happen.
    What we're seeing in South Africa is happening in Europe and North America at a slower pace. The reason South Africa quickly became a Third World mess is because blacks make up the majority of the population, and can impact society there to a larger degree. Here in the U.S., blacks are outnumbered and can be outvoted, so any social changes they push for tend to come about slowly.
    South Africa's White community has no future.
    By the way, I've never been to South Africa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flemish View Post
    I believe the whites there who can't leave for whatever reason will gradually be killed, and bred out through miscegenation(rape). That's what the entire Germanic/White diaspora is in for if things keep going the way they have for the past few decades.
    There are people out there who seem to think Whites around the world are eventually going to take a stand against non-white immigration, or the dismantling of the white power structures of their countries. It doesn't look like that's going to happen...
    Now the difference is that Whites here are not that infested with "liberalism", "multiculturalism" and "sensitivity training" like the Whites in EU or USA. The present depressed mood I consider only a temporary thing which I don't think is going to last longer then 10 years from now and has already turned. The generation that grows up now has been through the NSA schools and what they are taught they do not really like - So there is a gap that can be filled, naturally this will be a nationalistic one. And that's why I think the tide will be turning here, especially in case SA's governance and economy is rotting away.
    "And God proclaims as a first principle to the rulers, and above all else, that there is nothing which they should so anxiously guard, or of which they are to be such good guardians, as of the purity of the race. They should observe what elements mingle in their offspring;..." Plato Politeia

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacAdder View Post
    [...] and apartheid was caused by white Afrikaaners racism and not because of any other colour or culture.
    As already argued in the thread on Apartheid, the reason for its appearance is not because of Afrikaners alone, but by the multiethnic problems they faced, and hence also because of the various other ethnic groups.

    Quote Originally Posted by MacAdder View Post
    Yeah African black people are occupying their own land they were born and bred on. Think carefully on what you are saying.
    Afrikaners and Anglos were born and bred on this land as well. We actually built a civilization here, which is more than can be said for the Africans.

    Quote Originally Posted by MacAdder View Post
    I recollect the apartheid government doing what you are accusing today’s government may do. The old system hid the trueth from its people and spreading lies and propaganda still believed by the ignorant today.
    Obviously the disciplines and perspectives adhered to then will be labeled as lies and propaganda by those in whose interest it does not serve today. Similarly today's lies are labeled "the truth which has been hidden until now".

    Quote Originally Posted by MacAdder View Post
    These white communities are in danger of what exactly??
    Demographic displacement, to name one. It's strange to see this question on Skadi, though. This forum is centered on Germanic preservation, for which the recognition of the need thereof is naturally a prerequisite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray in TX
    Socialists and Liberals the attitude seems to be that they deserve whatever happens to them.
    Are you suggesting that political Extremists, Radicals, Realists, Democrats, Conservatives don’t deserve what they may get?
    Gary's argument was not against the wider notion of "getting what one deserves", but that socialists and liberals misapply it to Afrikaners who suffer spiritual, cultural and physical destruction at the hands of Africans, as if Afrikaners deserve it due to the previous regime.

    Quote Originally Posted by MacAdder View Post
    The Afrikaner had their chance to rule this country and failed dismally.
    South Africa had its greatest rate of development during the time it was ruled by Afrikaners. If anything, they showed that they can succeed superbly in a ruling capacity if left to their own devices.

    Quote Originally Posted by MacAdder View Post
    Firstly very, very few whites support a return to the old Afrikaans system of apartheid under a one party dictatorship.
    Why assume Afrikaners would want to revive the old system of Apartheid if they come to power again? This is an unnecesary and uncalled-for association of a people with a specific governing method.

    Quote Originally Posted by MacAdder View Post
    Secondly this radical Afrikaans minority you talk about can never hope to rule for very long without being disposed of either physically or isolated politically and internationally.
    I recommend re-reading Æmeric's post. He already argued how we can arrive at conditions where there would be no Euro-liberal powers left to dispose of them physically or isolate them politically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormraaf View Post
    ...Gary's argument was not against the wider notion of "getting what one deserves", but that socialists and liberals misapply it to Afrikaners who suffer spiritual, cultural and physical destruction at the hands of Africans, as if Afrikaners deserve it due to the previous regime.
    Using alleged past "injustices" and "atrocities" as justification for present real falsehoods and genocide makes it of course more likely that this past is furthermore distorted and lied about. And anyway, just imagine the Afrikaners would have exterminate all the English and Bantu for the injustices and genocide they did suffer from their hands during the English war, before and after that?
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormraaf View Post
    South Africa had its greatest rate of development during the time it was ruled by Afrikaners. If anything, they showed that they can succeed superbly in a ruling capacity if left to their own devices.
    ... "Under Apartheid" - Afrikaners did manage to rule a country like South Africa. So they will easily manage to rule a Volksstaat of their own as well. In fact we can expect that this will be a country as prosperous as Switserland.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormraaf View Post
    Why assume Afrikaners would want to revive the old system of Apartheid if they come to power again? This is an unnecesary and uncalled-for association of a people with a specific governing method.
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    ... Because he also falsely assumes that South Africa is some kind of unitary piece of land where the group that bred most is entitled to everything. While in fact it is a group of lands that has been puzzled together from a number of already existing entities i.e. the Cape Colony the Orange Free State, South African Republic Transvaal, Natalia, Zululand, several tribal lands and some more. Dominion over the Freestate and Transvaal the British got by treason, violence and genocide. So why should Boers accept any of these outcomes as legitimate. Boers and Bantu did have conflicts, but most of the time relations were peaceful and each side minded their own business there was some kind of "unwritten Apartheid" being practiced, if you want. Formalized "Apartheid" was however introduced by the British:

    • The Native Pass Law (1809) of the British Government compelled Black people to carry pass books;
    • In 1865 Sir Theophilus Shepstone made it impossible for Black people to vote in Natal;
    • Cecil John Rhodes in 1894 stopped a Brown man, Krom Hendriks, from taking part in a South African cricket tour to England;
    • In 1905 introduced compulsory division between Black and White scholars in Cape schools;
    • The Native Land Act 2(1913) prohibited land ownership by Blacks;
    • Min. H.W. Sampson (1925) introduced job reservation as regards the Law pertaining to Mines and related industries;
    • The Immorality Act in Natal (1927) prohibits sexual relations between people of different race and colour. (This was confirmed by Law 23 of 1957);
    • Gen. J.C. Smuts in 1936 introduced separate representation in Parliament;
    • The Native Urban Area Act 25 (1945) stated that Blacks may not, without a permit, remain for 72 hours in an urban area;
    • The National Party in 1948, defeating the SA Party at the ballot box, respected all land- and provincial legislation, and stuck to entry and non-entry signs at all state departments, public places and businesses which indicated where the various races would be served.
    • At the start of the Verwoerd era, freedom was given to all those who wanted to utilise it. Self-government was offered to the various Black nations, an offer they grabbed with open arms. The offer was made after the well-known British “winds-of-change” speech in die South African Parliament. The very offer was made by the British Government to Lesotho, Swaziland and Botswana, self-governments which are still in place today.
    http://www.boerevryheid.co.za/forum/...ad.php?t=18493
    Also note that the English/Jewish Mine magnates did introduce Black Labor to the mines so that they could undermine the wages of White workers.
    "And God proclaims as a first principle to the rulers, and above all else, that there is nothing which they should so anxiously guard, or of which they are to be such good guardians, as of the purity of the race. They should observe what elements mingle in their offspring;..." Plato Politeia

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    Quote Originally Posted by snublefot View Post
    I believe South Africa will end up like Rhodesia. Most of the signs are there.
    In some ways the desire to seize from the blankes is the same.

    In terms of kicking them out though - there were, what, 250,000 Rhodies, but there are millions of SA whites. Where do we all go?

    I think the best future is to increase the birth rate (why wasn't this encouraged before under NP rule?).

    Once, whites were over 20% of the population, now we are something like 9% and decreasing.

    With black populations growing faster, couple with white emigration often leading to a net loss in recent decades, it has been a steady decline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mooi Meisie View Post
    I think the best future is to increase the birth rate (why wasn't this encouraged before under NP rule?).
    It would have to be more than simple encouragement, though. Decently sized families would have to become the social norm. Most Afrikaners I know have a good sense of family values, but often so conservative in their approach as to (plan to) have only one or two children, and there are too many others who adhere to the neo-culture of childless careermongers. A real change in the hearts and minds of the latter need to take place as well, and that means we have to dissociate our culture from all the liberal conditioning designed to break down the importance of family bonds.

    Also, it's questionable as to how much a political organization should stick their noses in other people's family affairs. Financial incentives for couples to have children would be a sufficiently uninvolved encouragement. But what else? IMO the most important kind of campaign in this regard would have an aim of amending people's attitude. Right now that's a very difficult thing to accomplish. We don't control the media, and those who attempt positive propaganda are pushed to the fringe of the nationalist scene, with almost no influence in mainstream white society.

    The following from the Freedom Front's website, based on a census from way back, comparing white and black age groupings.





    Indeed, we've gotten ourselves into a horrible mess with our dwindling numbers and the Africans' perpetual population explosion. With each new election, more blacks are added to the voting citizenship than the total number of whites left in the country (elections in SA are once every four years).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Horagalles View Post
    ...Afrikaners did manage to rule a country like South Africa. So they will easily manage to rule a Volksstaat of their own as well. In fact we can expect that this will be a country as prosperous as Switserland.
    ...
    I was reading that about 30 years ago Johannesburg's economy used to be 75% of that of sub-Saharan Africa, and we produced 50% of all electricity used in Africa.

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