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Thread: Thought Experiment: Germanic Exodus to the Unknown

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    I've seen a few more documentaries about the theme. The universe is said to be infinite but the life of our planet is unfortunately finite. It's not a worry for our immediate next generations but there are already theories and ideas of what the humanity will do when our planet becomes uninhabitable.

    Another theory would be something like from the movie Interstellar. What happens if we continue to abuse the Earth's resources and what if humanity or even an external cause manages to damage the ecosystem so much that it's not reversible and our entire population could starve? Even a little element of the ecosystem, which seems small and unimportant to people, like bees, if the became extinct it could mean the end of humanity. Here an interesting explanation of the theory:

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2014...s-went-extinct

    There's still a long time until it can happen but science is advancing. We do things we didn't thought we could 100 years ago, so I'm optimistic for the overall future of humanity, especially of the Germanic peoples, who are inventors and brilliant minds.

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    This is something we could hypothetically aim to do in the far future, so if the scenario came up where we had the resources to do it, absolutely, this could be an answer to many of our problems and save us thousand if not million years of technological advancement.

    Judging by the increased interest in finding other habitable planets, it's safe to say that the probability of humans and particularly Germanic/European nations colonizing other planets could become a goal as we advance in the future.

    However, to provide a more thorough answer to this question one would first need to understand the reason behind leaving Earth in the first place. There are two main reasons for doing so: one, our curiosity and desire to explore and populate other planets, and the other, a more grim scenario, being forced to abandon our planet due to man-made or natural disasters. I think the answer should rather be a combination of both: space exploration and ultimately colonization must be undertaken not only out of simple/natural human curiosity but also to further the survival of the species.

    Surely, one could argue that it's "too early" to undertake such ambitious missions, however history has shown that successful people think in terms of millennia. No step is too small, and we have the evidence right before our eyes, making use of technology that would be unthinkable to our ancestors and even the older generations. So more than it being a matter of "if", it's rather a matter of "when".

    Many scientists seem to agree on the fact that humanity will have to leave our planet at some stage. Stephen Hawking himself seems to think we will have to spread into space if we want to survive, and he gives us no more than the next thousand years to start coming up with a plan:

    "I don't think the human race will survive the next thousand years, unless we spread into space. There are too many accidents that can befall life on a single planet. But I'm an optimist. We will reach out to the stars." (interview with Daily Telegraph, 2001)

    Astronaut John Young considers it a "duty" to our far future:

    "Knowing what we know now, we are being irresponsible in our failure to make the scientific and technical progress we will need for protecting our newly discovered severely threatened and probably endangered species--us. NASA is not about the 'Adventure of Human Space Exploration,' we are in the deadly serious business of saving the species. All Human Exploration's bottom line is about preserving our species over the long haul." ("The Big Picture")

    Frank Tipler considers it a step to immortality:

    "Let us follow many environmentalists and regard the Earth as Gaia, the mother of all life (which indeed she is). Gaia, like all mothers, is not immortal. She is going to die. But her line of descent might be immortal... Gaia's children might never die out--provided they move into space. The Earth should be regarded as the womb of life--but one cannot remain in the womb forever." (The Physics of Immortality, 1994)

    Once humanity mastered the technology to colonize space, the possibilities are endless. We allegedly already have people living in space for extended periods of time, but the real challenge is leaving the literally protective shield of our planet. And particularly intergalactic travel is what would be needed to become a reality before we could even think of concepts such as civilizational immortality. As currently is, we don't yet possess the technology to allow us spending a considerable amount of time in space without considerable consequences on our bodies and minds, and the question of reproduction and pregnancy in space remains open, as it has only been studied in plants and animals, though the results seemed more promising than originally thought.

    The most realistic option and closest to our present, some which believe may even be achieved during this or the next century is the prospect of placing people on Mars.

    "In time, [a Martian] colony would grow to the point of being self- sustaining. When this stage was reached, humanity would have a precious insurance policy against catastrophe at home. During the next millennium there is a significant chance that civilization on Earth will be destroyed by an asteroid, a killer plague or a global war. A Martian colony could keep the flame of civilization and culture alive until Earth could be reverse- colonized from Mars." (Paul Davies, The New York Times, 2004)

    Currently, there are several companies trying to make space colonization possible, Mars One, Space Ex and NASA, all who are ambitious about putting a human on Mars by the 2030s, so if their theories are correct we might be witnessing the beginning even during our lifetimes. While many scientists are skeptic of the Mars One predictions, some believe it could be a good hundred if not thousand years before we could realistically embark on such a mission. Mars One has been hit with a lot of criticism, particularly as their target year comes closer and closer, although their mission seems ambitious. SpaceX and NASA are working together.

    Mars One's human mission to Mars


    Here's SpaceX's ambitions on the development of interplanetary civilization:

    How SpaceX Will Enable Interplanetary Civilization


    It seems like a lot of sci-fi material, and we will probably not see this according to plan.

    Mars seems to be the current number one planet to get to right now, but like the Earth has also a limited life-span due to the future of the sun. Another challenge is that while several planets or satellites that could harbour life have been discovered, they may not be close enough or have a particularly solid structure to start building on. Mars has the advantage that it is closer to us but its climate and structure isn't particularly human-friendly. There have been theories including to live underground, as 5 meters of soil allegedly provides the same protection as the earth's atmosphere, so it's likely existing cave systems could also be used as a starting base. People have compared it with colonizing Antarctica, they go there to study and experiment but they don't build playgrounds there. Living in confined structures is also not the ultimate goal. Hence the idea of planetary engineering and particularly terraforming other planets, i.e. the surface and climate of other planets would be deliberately changed to make large areas of the environment hospitable to human life. Another challenge would be providing the colony with food, but this could be temporarily solved by techniques such as 3D food printing. One final and perhaps most important step would be the gravity issue, currently there is no known theory on changing a planet's gravitation, thus problems like osteoporosis would arise. Some have argued that colonizing Venus would be a better solution for the long-term - better gravity, more solar energy, etc.

    Another idea would be colonizing the moon, since unlike Mars man has allegedly already been there, but this is also a short-term solution which could rather serve as an exercise. There are plans to build a permanent lunar base. However, there are plenty of obstacles to overcome and one thing which may set us back could even be the theory that our technology may not be as advanced as originally thought. The Moon landing video was clearly not shot on the Moon, which begs the question why - we may have not been there at all. So we'd have to put greed, lies and deceit aside, and go back to the drawing board.

    If we're optimistic with our estimates, we might need another 100 or 200 years to reach the status of Type I civilization on the Kardashev scale, and a few thousand years to reach Type II.

    Another factor that inevitably comes up, and may explain why we have yet to meet those aliens from galaxies unexplored, is that history shows us that civilizations can be destructive, and particularly lead a path to self-destruction. While I am positive that mankind, and especially Germanic minds could theoretically devise a compatible technology to be the answer to our problems, in practice getting there is easier said than done. I don't believe we are currently as advanced as NASA or SpaceX claim. But, we could be, if we leave replaced greed, lies and deceit with information and cooperation.

    So the question remains whether our civilizations will be around long enough to experiment with concepts such as intergalatic travel. It of course boils down to how we make use of new technological innovations, for the 21st century can be our enemy just as easily as it can be on our side. And that is not even counting natural disasters such as a pandemic or getting hit by an asteroid. A scenario similar to the 1918 flu pandemic or 1859 Solar storm could set us back decades if not centuries. Our civilization has become particularly dependent on high technology, so this could act as a double-edged sword. But this is also a reason some scientists believe it is imperative that we expand past our planet:

    "Let me end with an explanation of why I believe the move into space to be a human imperative. It seems to me obvious in too many ways to need listing that we cannot much longer depend upon our planet's relatively fragile ecosystem to handle the realities of the human tomorrow. Unless we turn human growth and energy toward the challenges and promises of space, our only other choice may be the awful risk, currently demonstrable, of stumbling into a cycle of fratricide and regression which could end all chances of our evolving further or of even surviving." (Gene Roddenberry, Planetary Report Vol. 1, 1981)

    Here's a fun video dissecting some of the probabilities:

    5 REAL Possibilities for Interstellar Travel


    The long-term aim if we are to think of achieving civilzation immortality would have to be interstellar and intergalactic travel and migration -- consider the Milky Way and Andromeda will ultimately collide, and the recent discovery of a massive halo of hot gas around Andromeda may mean our galaxies are already touching. Of course this is still a span of billions of years, so we could say that we have some time on our side.

    So all in all, although currently much of this sounds more like a science fiction movie script, I believe humanity, and particularly Germanic and European minds are capable of achieving the technology necessary to leave our planet. We may even achieve it before we have to leave Earth altogether, so a third scenario could be that humanity becomes widespread across galaxies. NASA director Mike Griffin was quoted saying that "one day, there will be more humans living off the Earth than on it."("Mars or Bust," Rolling Stone, 2006).

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    In the 21th century when the fossilic energy sources slowly become empty, the heavy armed superpowers with nuclear warheaded ICBMs (intercontintal ballistic missile) see the others and with the growing nuclear superpowers of the Third World (India, China) make dream the Euro-Athlantic plans of control the whole planet with a World Government. These new superpowers will want more and more proportion from the cake. It can lead to a more balanced world where not the 1% rule the resources 99%, but all the people can be prosperous or a nuclear World War III what will delete the 90% of the Mankind and the rest states will have enough resources to some hundred years.

    A better sceinaro would be the technology of interstellar and/or intergalactic travel with a technology of terraforming or information about Earth-like planets, moreover empty planet without intelligence civilisation. Cca. 10 years ago I played with a thought that how fantastic would be a planet for only Germans. Germany is very overpopulated, twice than Hungary, but Hungary lack of uninhabitated mountainous area like as Germany. I thought that Germany would hold in the Earth, but the new colony would be an independent state like as the US from the UK. I did not dream an Intergalactic German Empire. However we Germans could separate on an own planet that could preserve better us. I think we must preserve us only a few hundred years to a German Planet will be a reality.

    However till that moment we must see against the migrants, the vanish of fossilic energy, the threat of nuclear war or a conventional war between the US and Russia — we and Central-Europa will be the battlefield.

    Ceterum censeo the interstellar and intergalactical travel would be a great salvation to the whole Mankind, just the people should not kill each other, rather the money to arms would be better to research and development.

    Maybe here the Earth or later under our travels we will get help from another intelligent species — they must exist, I do not say that we would be the most developed species in the Milky Way Galaxy.

    Or we borrow the plans of the Japanese. (Space Battleship Yamato 2199)


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    Yes getting away from the liberal bastards to another planet would be ideal. Possibly later wage a war against the liberal earth and reconquer it.
    The problem remains the propulsion. Everything else is doable.
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