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Thread: Thought Experiment: Germanic Exodus to the Unknown

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    Thought Experiment: Germanic Exodus to the Unknown

    Thought Experiment: Germanic Exodus to the Unknown

    What if by some weird twist of fate Germanics were offered the following opportunity by a recently arrived race of extra-terrestrials that are unquestionably benevolent towards Germanics:

    To beam all Germanics aboard a fleet of thousands of smaller, larger and city-sized interstellar space ships, under the condition that we plot a course of our own - choose our own destiny - and will not be able to ever return to Earth or the Solar System, nor to enquire the fate of Earth.

    The space ships come equipped with vast supplies, self-sustaining biospheres and respectable defense systems, as well as large, intelligible libraries of information concerning the use of the ships as well as other peripheral technology and equipment (such as construction bays and terra-forming capabilities). In short: everything we need to settle on other planets.

    What is your answer? Do we go or not? Please motivate.

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    Taking offers from off-the-(space)-boat aliens who suddenly appeared out of thin air? Naaah...

    On a more serious note: Well, why would it need to be an exodus. These here are our lands, and we should defend them to the last drop of our blood.

    Home soil is important as well, not just preservation of culture and race. I'm still a Tyrolese boy up here, but without my mountains and forests I don't really feel whole. There can be no question but to return one day and settle back home, because our surroundings are also an integral part of our home.

    However --- I would perhaps not turn down the offer of these extra-terrestials wishing to allow some Germanics who wish to emigrate from Germanic lands and indeed from Planet Earth in a type of settlement/colonialisation effort. Exploring new lands has always been part of the Germanic adventure spirit, and creating new living space cannot be bad.

    So, why not have both: Take the offer of being allowed to settle on this other planet, but keep our original base down here. We can have both: Germanic homelands on Planet Earth, and Germanic "overseas" (well, "overspace" really. ) departments on that new planet.

    At large however, as long as I can personally choose to stay where I come from, "Living Space in Outer Space" FTW!
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    I'm sorry Sigurd, in this thought experiment we either go entirely, or stay.

    And like I said, the aliens are unquestionably benevolent towards us Germanics.

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    If these aliens were unquestionably benevolent towards us Germanics then they wouldn't have a problem with doing us the favor of taking all of the non-Germanics with them and helping them resettle on some planet in a galaxy far far away .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrioten View Post
    If these aliens were unquestionably benevolent towards us Germanics then they wouldn't have a problem with doing us the favor of taking all of the non-Germanics with them and helping them resettle on some planet in a galaxy far far away .
    They mustn´t even fly to galaxies far far away after picking up the Non-Germanics: The sun is very near... *cough cough*

    Seriously, I wouldn´t accept that offer. No one knows if there´re really fine planets for Germanics out there, and it would never be the same. There´s only one native soil for us Germanics and this soil is a place on earth.

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    Hmm, it's an established fact by scientists in the future the Earth won't be habitable anymore. As much as the Germanics love their soil, we can't remain tied to it forever. Not our generation and the next ones, but in millions of years to come the history of mankind will end if our descendants don't find a solution to survive. The Earth will become a non-habitable planet like Mercury or Venus, and after millions of years more, it will probably be destroyed by the increasing power of the Sun. Then the Sun will die itself so the only way to survive will be outside the Solar System, if there is another planet with habitable conditions. There is still a lot of time until then, so humans, especially the Germanics which have high intelligence have enough time to figure out a solution.

    So in short, my answer would be a "yes".

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    The earth will become uninhabitable not earlier than around 4 billion years from now due to the "final days" of the sun (the sun expands and "eats" Mercury and Venus), according to scientists. It´s hardly a danger for any Germanic population.

    So mankind (and especially Germanics ) has enough time to evolve into a complete new species. We either die out before or won´t be "human" in the sense of our current understanding anymore. It took only some less million years to evolve from lower mammals to our current form. 4 billion years...well, I´d say it´s a little bit longer.

    (Maybe we Germanics can differentiate us from other humans to a real own race? At least if we survive the next few centuries and the negative demographic factor... )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siebenbürgerin View Post
    Hmm, it's an established fact by scientists in the future the Earth won't be habitable anymore. As much as the Germanics love their soil, we can't remain tied to it forever. Not our generation and the next ones, but in millions of years to come the history of mankind will end if our descendants don't find a solution to survive. The Earth will become a non-habitable planet like Mercury or Venus, and after millions of years more, it will probably be destroyed by the increasing power of the Sun. Then the Sun will die itself so the only way to survive will be outside the Solar System, if there is another planet with habitable conditions. There is still a lot of time until then, so humans, especially the Germanics which have high intelligence have enough time to figure out a solution.

    So in short, my answer would be a "yes".
    Right, and even in 10,000 years the surface & climate of the earth will have changed considerably, maybe even within 1000 things will be very different. Maybe that beloved and 'sacred' bit of soil you were in love with is underwater. What now? Do you give up because this 'essential' bit of identity is gone? Well, it can live on as a 'folk memory'... Who needs the bony, inflexible dead hands of 'pastism' (as the futurists used to say) pulling you forever back into the cradle? if humans had never concerned themselves to push into new frontiers and adapt, change and grow, we'd still be very... primative, and 'tanned', to use Berlusconi's phrase.

    Besides, it's the 'Martian way'. To infinity and beyond!

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    I pick whatever choice presents the greatest possibility of Racial preservation.

    On Earth, our major treat is becoming submerged into mulattodom, but I see a good chance of avoiding that eventually. The variables of our existence are much more well defined here, giving us a much greater advantage in planing courses of action to meet our interests.

    The Space option, at this point in time, has to many unknown variables and puts our Race at unnecessary risk. It would be a shame for our entire Race to be destroyed due to a simple unforeseen variable.

    However, staying on Earth does not negate our existence throughout the Universe. It will just happen at a later date. I think it best to do it on our terms and evolve with our technology. The technology we wield must be in concert with our own psychology, indeed born from it. We see what happens when people use technology they haven't adapted with and did not produce themselves. Something very similar to a baby behind the drivers wheel seems to be the result, even with proper instruction. Not that I am suggesting we would behave with Alien technology as Negroes behave with ours, but I still think its best to evolve slowly with it.

    Side note: As I recently mentioned in another thread (last paragraph in post) about the consequences of our Sun's Red Giant phase. Ultimately all life on Earth will be dependent on our Race's survival sooner or later and consequently, our existence is in the best interest of other Race's as well (so they should be nice to us [prays we don't take them]). Considering that we are the only Race capable of creating the technology required to leave the planet. That in itself makes us the most important life-form on Earth.

    Since we will most certainly take as much life with us as possible, I've considered, that if destiny were true, this might very well be our destiny; to preserve life itself.

    And for those who say that maybe another intelligent life form will evolve in that time which could also achieve this, well it is not a guarantee that a species will just happen across the environmental pressures required to mold adaptation to a level like ours ever again. Not that it can't or wont, it's just not a guarantee.
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    Leaving and outliving one's home world, or more specifically, gaining the ability to technologically free oneself from a single planet has to be the ultimate of racial preservation, albeit science-fiction sounding. In light of the above arguments that Sol III wil one day become uninhabitable anyway, I'd get on board that ship.

    Quote Originally Posted by infratetraskelion
    I think it best to do it on our terms and evolve with our technology. The technology we wield must be in concert with our own psychology, indeed born from it.
    I agree with this - just hope the people in charge by then don't think like the people in charge today, otherwise Germanic-built ships will probably be filled with Muslims and Africans in order to be liberally and politically correct.

    My question to the benevolent aliens would be whether they'd be willing to come back later and offer us the same if we answer in the negative now, to keep our options open a bit longer.

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