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Thread: Thought Experiment: Germanic Exodus to the Unknown

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormraaf View Post
    Leaving and outliving one's home world, or more specifically, gaining the ability to technologically free oneself from a single planet has to be the ultimate of racial preservation, albeit science-fiction sounding. In light of the above arguments that Sol III wil one day become uninhabitable anyway, I'd get on board that ship.
    Absolutely, colonizing the Galaxy and beyond with our Racial stock is most ideal. Being confined to a single planet significantly increases probability of extinction. Other than any given Planet having a limited habitation window, other cosmic events such as collision with a Comet or Asteroid, Deathstar encounter, amongst other things, makes being spread about, strategically very lucrative.

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    I agree with this - just hope the people in charge by then don't think like the people in charge today, otherwise Germanic-built ships will probably be filled with Muslims and Africans in order to be liberally and politically correct.
    That would be just horrible wouldn't it? I have given a bit of thought to that actually happening when we colonize Mars, which will be our kindergarten for Planet hopping and not too far away. Wouldn't it be a damn shame, thousands of years of white man's technological evolution culminating to leave the Planet for the Ultimate survival..... and taking them with us. It would be like "taking care of business" in your own Hat.

    Anyways, I don't think that would happen. If we exist as a Race by that time then certainly it would mean we had, as a whole (not just us fringe groups) figured out the consequences of a non-European presence and established barriers to avoid it.

    • If we exist, even a thousand years from now, then that means we didn't breed with them.
    • If we didn't breed with them, then that means we segregated ourselves from them.
    • If we segregated ourselves from them, then that means we figured out the consequences of their presence.
    • And if we figured out the consequences of their presence, then that means they aren't going with us.

    So I think it's safe to say that if we do colonize the Galaxy/Universe, we are going alone.

    Besides, our "make us or break us" pivoting point in history is just around the corner, within the next hundred years, if that long. We either figure out the racial situation soon or we vanish.
    Which also means; since the fate of all life on Earth is tied to our own, Life's fate is also going to be determined at that time. Wow, the grand cosmic drama reaches its climax possibly in our lifetimes!

    Also, I just want to add. I really want to get on that ship. If I could do it alone I would. I just cant risk the entire race on a gamble. If I knew for sure that we would reach other habitable Planets I'd agree to going, but since that part is not clear I must refrain. No matter how much I want to go.
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    Yes.

    The race is more important than the soil. Germanics were able to migrate to other lands than where they originated (Scandinavia) and make them their home. We don't have the luxury of millions or billions of years. We are slowly approaching extinction. By the 2050s, whites will become a minority in the USA, Britain and other countries. Race mixing is on the rise and there are no signs we are going to do anything about it any soon. Even if by miracle we could send all the non-whites back, we'd still be left with the huge number of EU immigrants, Slavs, and worst of all, Turks and Gypsies who will take advantage of "their" countries' ascension to the EU. Some areas are already lost. I'd rather prefer Europid Germanics settling somewhere into space than muddy brown settlements along the Rhine or in the Bavarian Alps. Once the race is gone, the soil is worthless because it can't be called Germany, or England, or Norway anymore.

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    The idea is a little far fetched,
    if I can be honest.
    I'm not sure something like that is at all possible.
    But if it were our only chance, it's better to live somewhere else
    - afterall we Nordics and Germanics can adapt better than different races -
    than to face something like Armageddon.

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    I'm a "Blut und boden" man so I'd stay here..

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    Some areas of the earth will become uninhabitable sooner than billions of years actually. The glaciers are melting at a fast rate, and this means two things: 1. more heat, 2. more water. At the same time the ozone layer has some holes through which dangerous levels of radiation enter. This means that in a few decades or centuries, some land will be meters under water, other will become a desert.

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    How do we know these extraterrestrials are unquestionably benevolent towards us? I wouldn't say no to leaving the planet, but I'd have more faith in our own people's plans than in trusting a foreign civilization we've never had contact with before.

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    Germanics can adapt and connect to new soil over the course of a few centuries or perhaps a millenium. What I resent, though, is the notion that it is unimportant who you are and where you belong.

    It has become a common view among those who left Germany that our people are nothing more than a source of meat and an outdated subset of their new identity. It is then considered a requirement of polite behaviour that we approve of and consent to the hostile and exploitative actions that inevitably result from such views.

    However, since the premise of the thought experiment does not require treason and the abandonment of one's own people, I can comfortably vote in the affirmative.

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    Thank you all for your well-considered replies. Allow me to share my own thoughts on the matter.

    I think what makes us Germanics are the very lands that shaped us in the first place. Our distinct culture is informed by our age old surroundings. The bond with our ancestors is sure to lessen were we venture into vastly different environments. Were we to go elsewhere in the universe, we would surely and quickly morph into something unrecognisable as we would adapt to wildly different circumstances. Imagine, for instance, what the effect of a shift in gravity would have on our physiology. We might transform into dwarves, or beanpoles.

    I realise, as others have pointed out, that Earth is not immortal, and our own lands will be changed geographically and geologically before the end of the planet itself, but I don’t like the thought of leaving the cradle of our folk prematurely, not knowing what will happen to it. Remember, part of the thought experiment was that we would forfeit any claim to knowing what happens to Earth. Do we really want to abandon our age old home, forsake it?

    Also, part of what makes us Germanics is our contrast with other humans that are not Germanic. Just like individuality is valuable because there are other individuals, so folkhood is valuable because there are other folks. If our world would consist only of Germanics, wouldn't the idea of being Germanic fade away? And surely, were we to be isolated completely, our folk would split up in ways unimaginable to us now, eventually leading to the kind of strife we are trying to escape.

    Either way, I liked Infratetraskelion’s remark about adopting wildly alien high technology. I can imagine fooling around with stuff we don't fully grasp can lead to highly undesirable outcomes. (Just like tampering with our DNA is something I find irresponsible.) Having said that, the nature of the aliens and their tools is not the focus of this thought experiment.

    However, I must say that apart from the question of our survival as a folk, I am enthralled by the idea of setting out into the unknown, going on adventures. I think one of the underexposed qualities of the Germanic spirit is the appetite for adventure.

    What I wanted to 'test' in this thought experiment was the sense of blood and soil of Skadi members (and Germanics at large), including myself. Although I clearly lean toward a kind of blood and soil holism, I am still undecided.

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    The only way I would even consider the voyage is if there was some effort to better the current folk. I think the average Germanic today is very primitive.

    I would leave if it was a chance to better myself and my people. that is if I had nothing good on earth going for me and I knew I could do better some place else. Otherwise I would stay here.

    I do believe the landscape and soil is important but there is also a dynamic. Our modern soil consists of our buildings, our gardens, our farms. Think of Gothic architecture and such. Our blood influences the soil as much as it influences the blood. Therefore I guess the effects the environment might be much less on us than it would be for an animal like a bear or fox, because we shape the world around us. If I had people like me who planted gardens that I like who built buildings that I liked etc. I think any place on earth would feel more like home than I would if I were in the middle of Norway in some negro neighborhood. I've seen the morph in Cincinnati. As mexicans and blacks have increased in number the buildings have changed. They are painted in bright colors now. The whole character of the city is different, the very landscape changed.

    I do believe though a people change over time, naturally evolve, but ideally it should be a gradual evolution only with great changes where neccessary (like if the sun were to explode or like this point in history shift us away from the retarded degeneracy of our time toward a more ideal and capable Germanic).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anlef View Post
    Thank you all for your well-considered replies. Allow me to share my own thoughts on the matter.

    I think what makes us Germanics are the very lands that shaped us in the first place. Our distinct culture is informed by our age old surroundings. The bond with our ancestors is sure to lessen were we venture into vastly different environments. Were we to go elsewhere in the universe, we would surely and quickly morph into something unrecognisable as we would adapt to wildly different circumstances.
    I think we shaped the lands too. As an example, think of what is today Kaliningrad.



    If you see this image for the first time, and you don't know where it's from, would you think it's Germanic soil?

    Now compare it to what it was under Germans



    Besides, if we have self-sustaining biospheres, as you mentioned in the OP, we would be able to reproduce and emulate the 'typical' Germanic surroundings, simulate mountains, plains, forests and whatever we want there.

    Imagine, for instance, what the effect of a shift in gravity would have on our physiology. We might transform into dwarves, or beanpoles.
    What if we could create the conditions to simulate gravity like on Earth?

    Also, part of what makes us Germanics is our contrast with other humans that are not Germanic. Just like individuality is valuable because there are other individuals, so folkhood is valuable because there are other folks. If our world would consist only of Germanics, wouldn't the idea of being Germanic fade away? And surely, were we to be isolated completely, our folk would split up in ways unimaginable to us now, eventually leading to the kind of strife we are trying to escape.
    Then Germanic would maybe become like white or human is now, and the subgroups, German, English, Dutch, would matter more.

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