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    Question Preferred Form of Government & Leader

    Assuming the goal of an independent Afrikaner state would be reached, what form of government would you prefer and whom would you see as your leader?

    Is there an Afrikaner politician you'd consider competent enough to lead your state?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    Assuming the goal of an independent Afrikaner state would be reached, what form of government would you prefer and whom would you see as your leader?
    This is a rather difficult question, TBH. Most Afrikaners are so focused on the issue of whom we're being governed by and who actually should that I doubt much thought is given to the form of government we'll put in place once independence is achieved. I'm guilty of the same insofar I haven't thought (and researched) any of my ideas related to this question through.

    I'm guessing most Afrikaners see Western style democracy as the only viable form of government. I'm not fond of democracy, but it should work well enough for an ethnically homogenous society, and one would be hard-pressed to sell another form of government to Afrikaners.

    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    Is there an Afrikaner politician you'd consider competent enough to lead your state?
    Well, if the current leader of the only real Afrikaner political party weren't caught up in controversy, I suppose he'd have made a competent enough leader. Still, I think to answer in the positive would mean there has to be someone young enough to be at a competent age when the Volkstaat goal is reached, and I can't really think of anyone who'd fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormraaf View Post
    Still, I think to answer in the positive would mean there has to be someone young enough to be at a competent age when the Volkstaat goal is reached, and I can't really think of anyone who'd fit.
    Could always put yourself forward. You're still reasonably young, and definitely with potential and a sound mind.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    Assuming the goal of an independent Afrikaner state would be reached, what form of government would you prefer and whom would you see as your leader?

    Is there an Afrikaner politician you'd consider competent enough to lead your state?
    Is this a realistic goal?
    Nothing on this planet causes me more concern than the current plight of Afrikaners.
    I have the utmost respect and love for the Afrikaner people.
    For the last decade New Zealand has had a flood of Afrikaners migrating here to escape the current situation in S.A.
    And unlike most forms of foreign migration into New Zealand, the Afrikaners are most welcome. Not surprisingly most prosper here.
    However most who do migrate here offer a dismal portrait of the future of Afrikaners who remain.
    The Afrikaners who migrate here do so out of necessity. They are for the most part relieved and happy to be here, but I can attest to the fact that the vast majority of them would rather still be home in S.A. if they believed they had a future for themselves and more importantly for their family.
    What causes me concern right now is it almost seems there is an impending doom for the Afrikaners. And given the current economic climate, and migration restrictions as a result, there is little hope existing right now for a way out of S.A. if needed.
    So is an independent Afrikaner state a real possibility or is it a fervent nationalists daydream with no real potential?
    And is there much widespread support for this independent state within the Afrikaner population?

    - Hunter

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    Quote Originally Posted by einherjarNZ View Post
    So is an independent Afrikaner state a real possibility or is it a fervent nationalists daydream with no real potential?
    And is there much widespread support for this independent state within the Afrikaner population?
    If you haven't yet, perhaps you can look at these two English threads:

    Independent State for Germanics in SA
    The Afrikaner Volkstaat

    It's unfortunate that for those who don't understand Afrikaans but are interested in the topic, the information and discussions in this sub-forum (dedicated to the subject of Afrikaner independence) will look a little spotty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    Assuming the goal of an independent Afrikaner state would be reached, what form of government would you prefer and whom would you see as your leader?

    Is there an Afrikaner politician you'd consider competent enough to lead your state?
    I would like to see a government based on a constitution. A democracy where all citizens have an equal right to vote. I see a single house of representatives being elected who will make decisions in a democratic way through voting.

    In terms of leaders the current Afrikaner leaders seems to be Dr Pieter Mulder (FF+), Dan Roodt (PRAAG) and Eugene Terblanche (AWB). I think all of these men would qualify as leaders. They differ widely in approach and in nature but nevertheless are all people with the capability to lead Independent Afrikaners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewensywer View Post
    In terms of leaders the current Afrikaner leaders seems to be Dr Pieter Mulder (FF+), Dan Roodt (PRAAG) and Eugene Terblanche (AWB). I think all of these men would qualify as leaders.
    I have to say of these I'd be most happy with Dan Roodt as a leader. His current occupation is listed as "Novelist, Essayist, Literary Critic, Linguist, Poet and Activist", so at the moment he seems to be more of an artist than a politician, yet not a politician at all, but someone who voices matters pertinent to Afrikaner politics. The literary products of his activism has me believing that we'd be better of with his approach than anyone else's.

    This is him:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    Assuming the goal of an independent Afrikaner state would be reached, what form of government would you prefer and whom would you see as your leader?

    Is there an Afrikaner politician you'd consider competent enough to lead your state?
    Preferred system would be:

    A military dictatorship with input from a Citizens Council comprising notable community figures.

    I'd definitely be opposed to any attempts at "democracy". It's a system for idiots. After all, the Ancient Greeks didn't allow the plebians to vote for a good reason - they weren't qualified to understand the implications of their choices in the same way that the general public in our societies are too ignorant to understand what they are doing and voting for.

    I don't know of a competent enough politician although I'm happy to say that I have come across a few competent Boers (but who aren't political figures). At one point I was beginning to wonder whether ones with any brains existed.

    I'm also sceptical about putting too much faith and emphasis on one particular leader figure and a personality cult. Imo it's better to have a type of council or military junta (like Burma perhaps?) run things.

    Naturally these suggestions will not score any points in the minds of most "Westerners" or the Western Media because it isn't "democratic", doesn't promote "freedom" and will "abuse people's human rights" and all that Leftist claptrap one hears day in and day out. In practice there isn't real "freedom" or "democracy" in the West in any case so imo this is a moot point.

    Quote Originally Posted by einherjarNZ View Post
    Is this a realistic goal?
    The way things are atm, no it's not.

    Nothing on this planet causes me more concern than the current plight of Afrikaners.
    I have the utmost respect and love for the Afrikaner people.
    For the last decade New Zealand has had a flood of Afrikaners migrating here to escape the current situation in S.A.
    And unlike most forms of foreign migration into New Zealand, the Afrikaners are most welcome. Not surprisingly most prosper here.
    Despite the (minor) language difference (and we speak English in any case) many of us are culturally very similar to the Kiwis so this doesn't come as a surprise.

    However most who do migrate here offer a dismal portrait of the future of Afrikaners who remain.
    The Afrikaners who migrate here do so out of necessity. They are for the most part relieved and happy to be here, but I can attest to the fact that the vast majority of them would rather still be home in S.A. if they believed they had a future for themselves and more importantly for their family.
    What causes me concern right now is it almost seems there is an impending doom for the Afrikaners. And given the current economic climate, and migration restrictions as a result, there is little hope existing right now for a way out of S.A. if needed.
    It certainly is becoming more difficult for people to immigrate who "follow the rules" and procedures. The future there looks shaky but on the other hand, the same things are starting to happen elsewhere. We were just a couple of decades ahead of the rest. No matter where one runs to, ZOG is waiting.

    So is an independent Afrikaner state a real possibility or is it a fervent nationalists daydream with no real potential?
    I'll tell you straight, right now it is a crackpipe dream. There is no organisation, no direction, no funding, no clue, no credible leadership, no political will, no interest.

    And is there much widespread support for this independent state within the Afrikaner population?

    - Hunter
    Many of the idiots are probably more interested in watching satellite TV and their damn rugby than to concern themselves with their long-term survival.

    Hypothetically speaking the only way I can think of to make "an independent homeland" a reality is to resort to a terror / insurgency campaign, to deliberately sabotage the relative "peace" which currently exists and to force a civil war which would leave people with no choice but to pick a side and to fight for their very survival. Nothing else is going to drag the masses from their slumber either in SA or elsewhere for that matter.

    Naturally this would be a rather risky and nasty affair if it were to happen.

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