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    Grin Re: What Is Noble? - Nietzsche vs. Myatt

    Nietszche was not a racist or antisemite in any conventional sense of the word; he was assuredly one of the worst misogynists who ever lived. Nothing suggests a belief in a noble people, as opposed to an individual superman. Consider the The Gay Science.

    The first two sentences of aphorism 2:

    I keep having the same experience and keep resisting it every time. I do not want to believe it although it is palpable: the great majority of people lacks an intellectual conscience.


    The first sentence of aphorism 3:

    Common natures consider all noble, magnaminous feelings inexpedient and therefore first of all incredible.

    This man lived in Germany and had no respect for the common German citizen, whom he considered beneath contempt. Nietszche gives one a great charge whenever he is read, but few, if any, accept his philosophy. Today we are all empiricists in our daily, non-religious lives, whether we wish to admit this or not.

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    Re: What Is Noble? - Nietzsche vs. Myatt

    Quote Originally Posted by Martial View Post
    Nietszche was not a racist or antisemite in any conventional sense of the word; he was assuredly one of the worst misogynists who ever lived. Nothing suggests a belief in a noble people, as opposed to an individual superman.
    This is not so; it is unfortunate that in English the word 'Superman' doesn't resonate as 'Superhuman', as it should.

    While Nietzsche believed in great individuals [a rare few], he also believed in elites and aristocracies.

    His attitude towards women was a reaction against the beginnings of feminism which he saw - quite clearly - had intended to narrow the gap between men and women.
    Nietzsche believed that there should always be distances between genders as well as between castes and peoples.

    He certainly believed in the conception of race and he associated 'slave morality' with the Semites, as I have already said.

    Nietzsche was greatly admired by Hitler who gave generous funding to the Nietzsche Archive while he was in power and visted there frequently.
    If Nietzsche had had no racial aspects to his writing I doubt if Hitler would have paid the philosopher any mind.

    Consider the The Gay Science.
    The first two sentences of aphorism 2:
    I keep having the same experience and keep resisting it every time. I do not want to believe it although it is palpable: the great majority of people lacks an intellectual conscience.
    This is a good aphorism, as are most of Nietzsche's.

    However, Nietzsche was one of the first really 'modern' philosophers, in that he pursued not just one narrative, but many.
    Often he subverted and deconstructed not just the ideas of others, but even his own.
    This means he must be read in a nuanced fashion.
    That Hitler was able to read Nietzsche in this way is clear from the Table Talk.

    The first sentence of aphorism 3:
    Common natures consider all noble, magnaminous feelings inexpedient and therefore first of all incredible.
    This just demonstrates the aristocratic stance that he maintained his whole thinking life.

    This man lived in Germany and had no respect for the common German citizen, whom he considered beneath contempt.
    Actually he lived a lot of the time in Switzerland and Italy. As an aristocratic thinker he despised the Herd, of course he did. He depised most of all the Christian Herd, whether they be German or no; he also despised liberals and socialists.

    Nietszche gives one a great charge whenever he is read, but few, if any, accept his philosophy. Today we are all empiricists in our daily, non-religious lives, whether we wish to admit this or not.
    I think you must speak for yourself here. However, Nietzsche himself - while no-one would call him an 'empiricist' - was certainly not a metaphysician!
    So he would've agreed with the Empiricists - such as Hume - that metaphysics was so much fiction. However, he found the empiricist philosophers - particuarly Locke, to be ultimately unphilosophical.

    His philosophy transformed western thinking from the early 1900s onwards, particlularly on the European Continent, although not so so much on the North American continent and the British Isles, where the ideas of liberalism, empiricism [as you say], materialism, pragmatism and morality still hold sway.

    This adverts to my point about the essential Germanic quality of Nietzsche's thought - despite what he thought of the Germans of his own day.
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

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