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    Is Rock & Roll Compatible with Germanic Identity?

    Let me begin by saying that I have been listening to metal since since I was 10 years old, and since then I have never strayed far from it. Metal is the only kind of music on my mp3 player.

    Nevertheless, lately I've started to think that rock n' roll -- including metal -- has had a truly corrosive effect on Germanic culture, particularly on the European continent, where it wouldn't exist if not for the Americans and Brits.

    Hopefully we can all agree that metal evolved from and remains a sub-genre of rock n' roll, which is mostly an off-shoot of Bluegrass and/or white American folk music, which has a strong Celtic influence that can be traced back to the British Isles.

    The attentive reader might have noticed I said rock is mostly a spin-off of white American folk, but if we are to be honest, we have to admit that negroes did add a few critical elements to the musical mix that we now call rock n' roll. Negroes helped to give the music its chaotic edge.

    Besides the recorded history of black contributions to the evolution of rock, we can see their influence in the way the music affects its listeners: wild, undisciplined dancing with sexual connotations; mosh pits; and head-banging. The objective observer can't help but see the parallels to the wild booty-shaking of African tribal dances.

    In contrast, unadulterated traditional European folk music generally fosters organized and disciplined dancing, like the Irish Riverdance for example. It's lively and spirited, but still maintains order. And classical music is, let's face it, the work of geniuses. Some studies have even showed that it stimulates the mind in such a way that it can enhance brain development in small children.

    My point is, whatever scales genres such as black metal might use to create a misty and dark Germanic atmosphere or what have you, it is still, at its roots, a non-Germanic form of music that is conducive to anarchy. Honestly, would Burzum have been possible without Jimi Hendrix's role in the evolution of metal? Moreover, rock n' roll, including heavy metal, has become such a truly cosmopolitan phenomenon that it has played a significant role in paving the way for the culture of globalism.


    Having said all that, I don't think I'll ever be able to stop listening to metal, but I also think that the Germanic world as a whole would be much better off without it.

    What do y'all think?

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    I listen to a lot of Indie and I have no idea where the stereotypes came from that we wear banana republic, race mix and dress like EMO's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torch_Bearer View Post
    Nevertheless, lately I've started to think that rock n' roll -- including metal -- has had a truly corrosive effect on Germanic culture, particularly on the European continent, where it wouldn't exist if not for the Americans and Brits.
    How? You do not state as to why you have come to this conclusion.

    You will say computer games are bad influences upon "Germanic culture" next.

    It's safe to say that parenting and the breakdown of the traditional family is to blame for the decline of "Germanic culture".

    In contrast, unadulterated traditional European folk music generally fosters organized and disciplined dancing, like the Irish Riverdance for example. It's lively and spirited, but still maintains order.
    The professional stage events and acts; yes, but the people in the crowd listening to the repetitive BOOM-BOOM of the beat and the fanatical wailing of the whistle and pipes are not.

    They are flailing their arms up in the air, sweaty and trance like as the great God of music overwhelms them.

    "fiddly-didly didly i...fiddly diddly diddly yo..."

    A shout goes up. Another joins in, and so the rest of the pack follows till you have the whole slithering mass of sweaty and entranced people yelling and hollering to the music and the beat.

    You say the Negros are animals for reacting to their music? And this is wrong to you?

    I think Tommy Tiernan sums up good old Northern European music.




    Some studies have even showed that it stimulates the mind in such a way that it can enhance brain development in small children.
    Complete pseudo-science of course. Proven to be the unfounded whittering of a company man wishing to make his mark on the old profession of fraud.

    A frequency distribution for the scores of the Classical Group, the Techno Group, and the Silence Group shows that the majority of higher scores were attained by the Silence Group, not the Classical Group as predicted. The majority of lower scores were attained by the Techno Group, with the Classical Group falling somewhere in the middle.

    The mean scores of the three conditions are: 42.5 for the Classical Group, 37.5 for the Techno Group, and 57.5 for the Silence Group. The Silence Group yields the highest scores on this test and the Techno Group the lowest with the Classical Group again in the middle.
    I attempted to find the original, but had to make do with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BritishWitch View Post
    How? You do not state as to why you have come to this conclusion.
    Because rock n' roll did not originate in Europe. No America, no McDonalds, no Coca-Cola, no rock n' roll. Simple as.

    I included Britain as it did take to rock n' roll quickly after its inception and did partake in its development. Nevertheless, rock n' roll is as American as apple pie, as it were.

    You will say computer games are bad influences upon "Germanic culture" next.
    Where did I even come close to saying this?

    It's safe to say that parenting and the breakdown of the traditional family is to blame for the decline of "Germanic culture".
    Tell me something I don't know.

    The professional stage events and acts; yes, but the people in the crowd listening to the repetitive BOOM-BOOM of the beat and the fanatical wailing of the whistle and pipes are not.

    They are flailing their arms up in the air, sweaty and trance like as the great God of music overwhelms them.
    Well maybe folk music is degenerating nowadays as well. Are women at folk concerts flashing their boobs at the bands now, too? I don't know. I was just using the Riverdance as an example. What I do know is that rock n' roll has turned into a cosmpolitan phenomenon and has changed all of our societies in various ways.

    The question I am asking is, has it been for the better? I'm not trying to point fingers at any one here, because I rock out as hard as anyone.



    Complete pseudo-science of course. Proven to be the unfounded whittering of a company man wishing to make his mark on the old profession of fraud.
    So.. are you saying that rock n' roll is somehow equal to classical music in depth and sophistication?

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    I do not believe Rock & Roll or Metal is inherently Germanic, neither is classical music, but it can be a vehicle for our own creations. Musical styles wholly created by us or unique to us are of greater value, though.


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    That's an interesting and honest take on the issue, Hauke. But do you think Germany, for instance, would have been better off had rock n' roll never taken hold there? Has it helped to somewhat de-Germanify Germany in your estimation?

    Hitler banned jazz because he could see how it could corrupt German society, I can only imagine how disgusted he would be at rock n' roll. Classical music might not be wholly Germanic, but it is at least wholly European. It is something we can all take pride in as it makes all other forms of music seem less evolved.

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    If you look at everything which had non-European contribution,
    then your paranoia won't be healthy for you.
    If it's compatible depends on its message.
    Some metal bands are purely Germanic in membership,
    and they send a message to honor our ancestors and folk.
    What makes it incompatible?
    There were Jewish contributions to classical music too.

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    I do think that Germany should put every piece of American culture to the torch that is distinctly recognisable as such, regardless of merit and regardless of whether it is White or Negro in origin, but I doubt that most folk rock/folk metal or, more generally, German-language rock would fall under that category. Cultural emphasis should certainly be placed elsewhere, though, that much is clear.

    Classical music is Greek and Romano-Christian, much like European identity itself, and therefore non-Germanic. We have taken much from Rome, most importantly the ability to destroy it, but we should not succumb to Romanophilia and blur the lines between us. Still, German composers have performed well in this foreign genre, even infused it with a German spirit at times and that deserves recognition.

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    I'm American. I'm a product of my generation as much as any of my...well, generation here. I grew up on Rock 'n' Roll (in a completely generalized sense, since Rock 'n' Roll has become sort of a catch-all term for more energetic pop music the past half century).

    So, yeah, I like some rock 'n' roll. Prog, old-school metal, classic rock especially. And I like classical music a lot as well... baroque, especially.

    Short answer: No, I don't think rock 'n' roll is going to make or break Germanic preservation. What I would be more concerned about are musical forms and dances which are completely dominated by, and seemingly subserviant to, influences which are entirely outside of the European sphere of musical tradition, like rap, for instance. Rock 'n' roll encompasses European folk traditions, completetly modern (read: White) affectations (thus the profound difference between Chuck Berry and The Beatles), and also Classical, depending on the specific genre.

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    Rock / Rock n Roll and even Metal has some of its origins in Blues. Blues of course has its origins in West Africa and the plantations of the Deep South.

    It's impossible to completely separate "Germanic" and "non-Germanic" musical characteristics from one another but then again, if one were to really take this argument to the next level we'd all have to kill ourselves because we're genetically linked to negroes, orientals, asians and so forth.

    In such a scenario the crime of being human would make us inherently "anti-Germanic" since we have common DNA with other non-Germanic races.

    I'd simplify the argument a bit. Some examples:

    - Dressing up in those silly Adidas / Nike / Gold Chains combinations
    - Listening to r'n'b, rap, Beyoncee and similar non-stop
    - Loves Oprah, Obama and Clinton
    - Believes in diversity and positive discrimination
    - Thinks Spielberg movies are wonderful

    etc is clearcut anti-Germanic. As for the rest, nobody is perfect.

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