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    Music, like a cultures language or art, reflects the advancement of a culture. Compared to the great composers and even the folk melodies of antiquity, it is clear that modern music is as base and corrupt as modern culture. If anything, it only reflects the age of Germanic decline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torch_Bearer
    I don't understand why you seem to want to distance black metal from its obvious heavy metal roots?
    That might look like hair splitting maybe, but black metal and heavy metal are, at least for me, two very different styles of music. Just on a formal base the song structures of black metal are complete different from those of heavy metal. Black metal dont have solos, dont have refrains, disharmony and contrary chords rather than harmony, the whole structure is built on other systems and intentions...
    Then the 'inspiration palette' is just more than only heavy metal, there is ambient, punk, epic death metal, thrash metal and classic music, that were moldet into something new and unique. It was just not only 'heavy metal'.

    Then I also dont agree that the invention of black metal (or any new kind of music for that matter) strictly depends on the former. True, history tells that heavy metal was first, but I doubt that the other, historically following styles were not possible without it. That would limit our inspiration spirit to the re-forming of already existing informations only, and after all, someone has invented heavy metal, I dont see why it shouldnt be impossible to invent other, different styles without the former step. It is just a general statement, that our inventing spirit would always be able to invent rather than only reform existing elements.
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    In a way, Rock and Roll can be considered "native" white , too.

    The very presence of the 'King of Rock and Roll' in the media
    could have led to the impression , that Rock'n Roll would be
    a White Men's domain, especially in Europe .

    I became interested in music by owning a first radio in the mid-80s .
    My parents had no radio, and there had been no music in the family
    at all until then , except for flute music for christmas by the children.

    I personally started with AC/DC , but that is overwhelmingly Hard Rock,
    but not Rock and Roll .

    It took me a few years to be introduced to the roots of Rock Music, and
    the roots were considered Blues Music.


    In the back mirror I consider Hard Rock and Heavy Metal as kind of
    Air-Raid-Sirens warning that there is attack on the approach .
    People with a bright future will always choose Popular Music or Schlager Music;
    These have no need for siren calls except for paralyzing lullabies.


    A website I had found, listing 200 Rock and Roll interpreters;
    and I have no idea, who of them would be black, white or germanic :
    1. Elvis Presley
    2. Fats Domino
    3. Chuck Berry
    4. Little Richard
    5. The Everly Brothers
    6. Bill Haley & The Comets
    7. Ray Charles
    8. Buddy Holly & The Crickets
    9. The Clovers
    https://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/b...ists50s-x.html

    At that time in the 1980s asylum and other immigration had been
    a repeating issue in the media, and NS-sympathisers behaviour recorded.
    To the average populace like me it had been very confusing to
    create a clear stance about "foreigners" , because Germany can
    be considered still 90+% White at that time with hotspot ghettos for Muslims
    like Berlin-Kreuzberg, Kiel-Gaarden, Lübeck-Buntekuh .
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    Researching a bit on the internet I came to some Country & Western
    'King of Western Swing' Bob Wills as influence of Rock & Roll.

    The trace had been the Afro-American Chuck Berry .

    Bob Wills is said to have been grown up in a White Cotton Farmer Family,
    and Black Americans being one of his major play mates in early age.

    In addition to picking cotton, the young Jim Bob learned to play the fiddle and the mandolin.
    Both a sister and several brothers played musical instruments, while another sister played piano.
    The Wills family frequently held country dances in their home, and there was dancing in all four rooms.
    While living in Hall County, Texas, they also played at 'ranch dances' which were popular throughout west Texas.[9]

    Wills not only learned traditional music from his family,
    he learned some Blues songs directly from African Americans in the cotton fields near Lakeview, Texas,
    and said that he did not play with many white children other than his siblings, until he was seven or eight years old.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Wills
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    As long as the core historical elements of a national culture are kept alive then I don't think it matters what else swirls around them, coming and going. Try stopping it.

    But some forms of music are obviously more compatible with a nationalist mindset than others. You won't see many black people at an Iron Maiden concert.

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    To look at the membership of some bands can be disconcerting.

    I don't own music with African performers, but I can't find a way to purge der Juden from my playlist. I sometimes find it is impossible to isolate Romance musicians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ward View Post
    Let me begin by saying that I have been listening to metal since since I was 10 years old, and since then I have never strayed far from it. Metal is the only kind of music on my mp3 player.

    Nevertheless, lately I've started to think that rock n' roll -- including metal -- has had a truly corrosive effect on Germanic culture, particularly on the European continent, where it wouldn't exist if not for the Americans and Brits.

    Hopefully we can all agree that metal evolved from and remains a sub-genre of rock n' roll, which is mostly an off-shoot of Bluegrass and/or white American folk music, which has a strong Celtic influence that can be traced back to the British Isles.

    The attentive reader might have noticed I said rock is mostly a spin-off of white American folk, but if we are to be honest, we have to admit that negroes did add a few critical elements to the musical mix that we now call rock n' roll. Negroes helped to give the music its chaotic edge.

    Besides the recorded history of black contributions to the evolution of rock, we can see their influence in the way the music affects its listeners: wild, undisciplined dancing with sexual connotations; mosh pits; and head-banging. The objective observer can't help but see the parallels to the wild booty-shaking of African tribal dances.

    In contrast, unadulterated traditional European folk music generally fosters organized and disciplined dancing, like the Irish Riverdance for example. It's lively and spirited, but still maintains order. And classical music is, let's face it, the work of geniuses. Some studies have even showed that it stimulates the mind in such a way that it can enhance brain development in small children.

    My point is, whatever scales genres such as black metal might use to create a misty and dark Germanic atmosphere or what have you, it is still, at its roots, a non-Germanic form of music that is conducive to anarchy. Honestly, would Burzum have been possible without Jimi Hendrix's role in the evolution of metal? Moreover, rock n' roll, including heavy metal, has become such a truly cosmopolitan phenomenon that it has played a significant role in paving the way for the culture of globalism.


    Having said all that, I don't think I'll ever be able to stop listening to metal, but I also think that the Germanic world as a whole would be much better off without it.

    What do y'all think?
    I have been a fan of Elvis Presley since the 1960s and have a fondness for his mid to late 60s musicals in particular. We should not shoehorn ourselves into categories merely to 'fit in'. Do not seek approval or validation from others!

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    Sophisticated culture (incl. music) is taxing on mind and body. First and foremost it demands discipline and intelligence.
    It is understandable, and most likely necessary, to take a break from it. It was short sighted to surrender the field of "dumb" culture to foreigners in strongly disciplined states like Germany.

    The US with their worship of individual freedom, and thus relying wholly on self-discipline (which is extremely rare), simply flowed like an electric current down the path of least resistance. Combined with an effective and intelligent population that could harvest the fruits of the industrial revolution (here external force was present, i.e. the need to produce to earn money and be able to eat), they ended up with a lot of spare time. This finally resulted in an overproduction of "dumb" culture.

    All in all, the problem isn't so much the foreign origin of dumb culture, but the inability to discipline the people for more sophisticated culture.
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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    White rock musicians all seem to think they owe a debt of gratitude to the black artists who 'invented' it.

    I beg to differ, and if you listen to cover versions of those old Negro songs you'll hardly spot any resemblance.

    Some of the 70's bands may have been inspired by Negros strumming some rock/blues chords on an acoustic guitar a few decades earlier but they took this stuff to a far more sophisticated level. It's a bit like saying that the inventor of the wheel is the father of the modern motor car.

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