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    Scientists Piece Together Human Ancestry

    Source: CNN (1-19-09)
    Scientists hailed Tuesday a 47-million-year-old fossil of an ancient "small cat"-sized primate as a possible common ancestor of monkeys, primates and humans.

    Scientists say the fossil, dubbed "Ida," is a transitional species, living around the time the primate lineage split into two groups: A line that would eventually produce humans, primates and monkeys, and another that would give rise to lemurs and other primates.

    The fossil was formally named Darwinius masillae, in honor of the anniversary of Charles Darwin's 200th birthday.

    The fossil was discovered in 1983 in the Messel Pit, Germany, near Frankfurt, and had been until recently in private collections, according to an article published Tuesday in the scientific journal PLoS ONE, a publication of the Public Library of Science.


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    I think they found a lemur. The science fiction of Darwinian evolution gets so absurd it is a wonder people take it so seriously.

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    there seem to be a lot of anti-evolutionists hanging round Skadi lately.

    why do you think Darwinism is 'absurd science fiction', and what alternate theories are not absurd or science fiction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resurgam View Post
    I think they found a lemur. The science fiction of Darwinian evolution gets so absurd it is a wonder people take it so seriously.
    Trained scientists think it is the missing link, but you think it is a lemur. What evidence do you have that it is a lemur? Wouldn't they have recognized a lemur, or do you suppose they are lying to us about evolution and don't believe it themselves? If so, to what end?

    If you do not have concrete answers to these questions with evidence to back it up, perhaps you should not be so nonchalantly dismissing of this new evidence.

    From what I can tell, your entire argument is an appeal to ridicule. What this means is that you cast it off as ridiculous, which invokes the instinct of others to not want to seem foolish, and they join in. People of any particular opinion may often do this unwittingly and subconsciously. You may want to make sure that this is not your entire argument.

    If this is not the case, and you do have answers to my questions along with evidence, please provide them.

    Thank you for reading patiently,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freigeistige View Post
    Trained scientists think it is the missing link
    Some do, others who don't follow blindly recognise this as pure speculation because there is no evidence that it is a direct ancestor. All it shows is a variation on a theme, nothing more. To claim it as a "missing link" is so anti-scientific and to do this just to show Darwin-worship is absurd.

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    It does seem a lot like it's a media hype. Even Time magazine says so. Closing passages from their article:

    All of which renders the press release touting a “revolutionary scientific find that will change everything” absolutely true—as long as by “everything,” you mean “whether the branch of the primate family that includes monkeys, apes and humans comes from the suborder strepsirrhinae or the suborder haplorrhinae,” according to the PLoS One paper. And by “change,” you mean “adds information that may or may not help settle the question, but whose implications won’t be known for a long time in any case.”

    Most paleontologists roll their eyes at that sort of overhyped nonsense, especially given that there’s real science lurking underneath. After wading through the false advertising, though, most people might have a hard time finding it. (Source)

    I agree with Exit.

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    Trained scientists think it is the missing link, but you think it is a lemur. What evidence do you have that it is a lemur? Wouldn't they have recognized a lemur, or do you suppose they are lying to us about evolution and don't believe it themselves? If so, to what end?
    People believe what they want to believe. Instead of anthropologists expending resources digging this stuff up in the remotest areas of the world, massive areas of the Middle East (the cradle of human civilization) have remained untouched from any excavation.

    Let me put it this way: Consider the amount of obvious falsehoods and rewriting of history put forth in the "official" version of history promoted by the public schools, academia, and the media over the last 200 years while truth is flushed down a memory hole. Why is it such a stretch that these trained scientists (I consider them pseudo-scientists as I come from an engineering background) could be wrong about the supposed millions of years before that?

    An example of a much more significant recent anthropological/archaeological find would be the discovery of the temple at the Gobleki Tepe site near Şanlıurfa, Turkey (historically known as "Ur of the Chaldees"). But that didn't get its own cute little picture on the Google search page commemorating the find.

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