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    Hitler's Breeding Programs

    I had once heard somewhere that Hitler had a breeding program or programs.

    I was wondering if anyone here might know of the name of the program or programs and the details of such?

    I had also heard that they would sometimes cross a blond haired blue eyed individual with an individual with brown hair and eyes if that individual's parents or siblings were blone haired and blue eyed.

    For those of you here that may be more knowledgeable than I in the subject of genetics, why would two such differing phenotypes have been crossed? How would it work from a genetic standpoint?

    Thank you.
    Last edited by heloise; Wednesday, May 13th, 2009 at 10:46 AM. Reason: typo

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    Is this what you mean? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensborn

    For animals we humans have also done selective breeding to get back to "older" versions, crossing the versions that looks most like the ancient version for example.

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    Alfadir,

    Hello, so nice to meet you!

    Yes!, I believe that may have been the name of the program.

    I've just finished reading the excellent article from the link you provided. Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfadir View Post
    Is this what you mean? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensborn

    For animals we humans have also done selective breeding to get back to "older" versions, crossing the versions that looks most like the ancient version for example.
    This can be done now in such a way that people would not feel like animals in some laboratory. Simply allow only Frisians in Friesland, Saxons in Niedersachsen, etc., and give them rewards for having children.

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    Lebensborn was not a breeding program, it assisted the breeding program called "Nationalsocialism".

    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    This can be done now in such a way that people would not feel like animals in some laboratory.
    This could be done that way at all times, or do you have something special in mind where people felt like they were in a laboratory?

    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    Simply allow only Frisians in Friesland, Saxons in Niedersachsen, etc., and give them rewards for having children.
    It is not that simple, since as a non-pluralist Germany doesn't encourage regional isolation, and secondly, even within your own group, shielded from the outside, degeneration, can and does happen, without an organized effort to work against that.
    E.g. all Germanic languages except High-German have degenerated.
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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    Eventually unwanted traits would be bred out. Let's say you have a smart, strong healthy brown eyed person. This person would be crossed with an average blue eyed person perhaps to create a smart strong, healthy blue eyed person. Though out of 5 children maybe 1 will be ideal. The goal would be to favor the ideal children more. Thus the SS was the "elite" who were encouraged to breed more so than the average person.

    It's just the idea that we do not live in an ideal society so we can't be too strict in kicking people out for not being "pure" or perfect enough. Therefore we try to breed out the unwanted traits. If you cross blue eyes and brown eyes and the blue eyed children have more of a chance of getting into the SS and thus breeding more than usual over many generations it will bring the population closer to the ideal.

    Yet if you began posessing several handfuls of undesirable traits you probably would be sterilized or at the least allowed only one child or a smaller number than usual. Such as being too short, brown eyed, rude, and ugly one might just say well this guy has too much going against him so we will just sterilize him. If you on the other hand are a good citizen but have a few undesirable traits then one would say, well we'll just try to breed it out of him.

    It isn't that brown eyes are "inferior". Has nothing to do with that. It just has to do with an ideal. As a Nordic community you want your people to reflect the Nordic ideal. Just as an Asian community would want people that reflect an Asian ideal. A blue eyed person would probably not be ideal in an Asian group, but would be in a Nordic group. It is about maintaining that purity.

    Really we should be forming our own groups and communities and practicing Eugenics among ourselves. Encourage your most talented, beautiful, intelligent child to have lots of children. The below average child should have below average number of children and the defective child should be sterilized. Sterilization is a common medical procedure today and is nothing to worry about. Within our communities we should do the same. The way you do this is that above average person should know that it is their duty to have children. The community should come together and offer lots of gifts to this person to marry. Lots of help with child rearing and encourage them to have more. An average person should get average encouragement and help, below average less so and substandard members should be discouraged. Pretty common sense. It may not always work out perfectly the way we want it but we can encourage our communities and families to at least be veered on to the right track. It is a great tragedy when a really talented member of the folk must put off child birth for school, money etc. Especially conidering that as a woman ages the genetic quality of her children goes down. That's right you want them having children at a young age.

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    I realize that this is mildly off-topic, but I'd like to express my opinion about breeding programs in general.

    I feel that they are somewhat unnecessary. Humans, like most animals, breed selectively naturally. A woman can sense by smell a person with different immunities, and we also are attracted aesthetically to those we feel would best mix with our genetics.

    That being said, with humans the selective breeding process is not perfect, because those with poor genetics will no longer die out, because they are taken care of by society, and they may continue to breed.

    Also, there is the psychological aspect of attraction, which attracts females to alpha males, who they subconsciously think will be able to provide for and protect themselves and their children. This may cause some discrepancies in the genetic attraction process, because what makes a woman think of a male as an alpha male not only can be feigned, but also sometimes is not influenced by genetics.

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    Look at classical literature, or movie versions if that's too time consuming. In 300, the one Spartan who escaped being killed at birth for being defective came back and betrayed the 300 to their doom. He didn't even have to breed to have enough resentment to wreak such destruction. Also, look at Alberich in Wagner's Ring. He was rejected, yet lived for malice in revenge for this. Sterilization would be resented greatly. If you are going to brand a person as defective like this, you'd better get rid of him permanently unless you want a knife in your back.

    I still like the idea of picking the best people and isolating them in their own towns, so that they will choose mates and have children in a normal way, just have more of them through encouragement and creation of a favorable economic environment. When we average 8 children per couple in these communities, the old self-hating communities can be replaced with new, more positive people. Yes, I know it would take a revolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfadir View Post
    And I don't think it was ever intended to go beyond that. Although Himmler did talk a lot about creating his Übermensch - I figured that Himmler was going to be purged before that ever occurred.

    This idea of a breeding program was created by the English tabloids. The tabloids were raving how the Germans were planning on killing the English men and forcing the women onto ''Stud Farms'', where presumably, SS Soldiers (as loyal chaps they are ) would insert their endowment into the English women and create a new generation of German Übermensch.


    Of course we know that no such thing has ever been planned. It was simply a tabloid created to serve as propaganda and instill fear onto English women.


    There were claims that the Germans forced women into sex slavery during WW2, but surprisingly, there seems to be almost no witnesses that this occurred. So I figure it didn't occur. Because if there are so many elderly Chinese women who constantly bring up the issue of Japanese wartime rapes, you'll think the Slavs in those countries would be doing the same.
    But of course we know this didn't occur, because the German Wehrmacht forbade rape and made it punishable by death. If there were women in such a brothel, than it was by choice, much like no is forced to stand in the windows at De Wallen.



    Likewise there were similar claims in the United States, that SS Soldiers were enticed to join, because they were offered 400 acres, a mule and a blond Russian wife somewhere out in the occupied zones. I believe this myth had it's inspiration from Lincoin's 40 acres and a mule.


    Personally the idea is a bit laughable at a forefront. Most of the SS Soldiers had girlfriends and wives back home. Second, the soldiers would have bitched and whined to no ends if forced to settle in some remote location. And they probably would complain some more when their Russian wife refused to cook their favorite schnitzel recipe. It would had ended up with a dead German soldier, a missing wife and mule, or a dead Russian wife and a replacement sent within the week.

    From what I gathered that simply wasn't the German's plan at all. Their plan was to create German urban centers and leave the countryside to the Slavs and German colonists.

    At best I think it was more probable that families themselves would have to practice eugenics, as opposed to the state intervening in those manners. Personally with folks like Albert Forster and Alfred Rosenberg running around and proclaiming themselves experts in that field, I would be extremely afraid of them running such a program.

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    The germans (and alot of other people have done it, we do it even today) did it with animals, why not do it with humans?

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