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    Perhaps you want to read the book before you criticise it? Read it, then offer your criticism - and then if you're really dissatisifed, do it better. You can always talk about "this could have been better" and "that could have been better" --- but if you have no solution of how to do it better, you shouldn't really be talking.
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    I offer a solution: work together as a team. That would probably solve just about all the problems the Germanic race seems to have. Most racialists seem incapable of the most basic organizing.

    I can't do better than one person. I know for 100% sure that if that person and I work together that we will do a lot better.

    This book is one part in a series. The Noreana society or whatever its called is planning to publish a whole library covering all the essential topics for Asatru practice. To tell the truth mythology is not my specialty. I am speaking of the whole picture of creating a complete guide to the modern faith. There will be variations and people who do it differently but at least the guide will serve those who are interested in it and serve to educate and define the religion more uniformly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainman View Post
    I offer a solution: work together as a team. That would probably solve just about all the problems the Germanic race seems to have. Most racialists seem incapable of the most basic organizing.
    Dont want to offend you, really, but you are so obsessed with race that you put it before anything else. Even worse, you 'condemn' works, that you didnt even read so far, because they care more about myths than about race. Your obsession with race is sometimes really unnerving, I'm sorry to say that. And to put it directly, myths are culture, and culture is society. You will never be able to create any form of community when you put the cart before the horse, race before culture, unless you want your community to be a sect. Since you never cared about the myths, I strongly recommend that you do. It doesnt matter if you believe in them or not, that is not the question, it is about knowing these things, as they have been an inseperable part of our culture and society structure.

    It is not even the question to return to ancient times, surely there will be things that might have become more or less invalid within the last thousand years. Again, it is about knowing where to start, not where to go from there, that is a whole different thing.

    You complained that the author that you mailed some time ago didnt answer. When you wrote the way you express yourself here with your obsession for race and the attitude that you think you understood anything of it despite the fact that you never cared about the myths, then I can answer you the question why he never answered. Why should he team up with someone who want to do something complete different than he with his work?

    Again, dont meant to offend you, but meant to make you think about your attitude. You cant constantly blame all the 'lazy people' who are not willing to subscribe to your sect-like community without realising that maybe, most likely, your attitude it is what discourages the people. It is your biggest problem that you always want to put the cart before the horse.

    Again, no offence meant
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    I probably am one of the least racist person on Skadi. Yes I do think the question of heritage should be explained as it applies to Asatru. Again the book The Nature and Philosophy of Asatru actually kept bringing up things like "the white race will die if we don't do something" and other racial comments that seemed a bit out of place with the rest of the book (but still acceptable within context). I'd say I'm less racial than the author of this book and I also go into a deeper explanation of race (such as the idea that race is a relative concept and different people/groups might have different views of what a race is yet there is still a legitimate reason to preserve a unique people on earth and bond with other people of your own kind- however you define that).

    I never mentioned anything about race when trying to contact an author. I simply expressed a desire to work together to further Asatru. If I were doing this for myself I would not have written anything about Asatru. I'm the one who wrote the book, so I already know what's in it. I sure didn't write it for money or fame (which I don't think will happen with that kind of book- at least not in my lifetime). No I wrote it for my unborn children, and their children and for society and for others like me who as a child looked for answers but found nothing but empty religions or manipulative ones. For your children and community you really need to offer them a culture and community, not just the ideals of one man. You don't go to school and learn from one teacher. A culture never entirely springs from one mind. Anything worth its salt in human history is a collective undertaking (though the value of the personality also plays an important role).

    Yet its not a big deal to me. I see that there are so few people like me in this world. They can fail or succeed by their own hand. I would just like to do better myself. If I can make a better book or cannon I will. If someone is interested in improving themselves or their own works I will work with them. If people don't want to work with me its fine. I'm pretty convinced of the correctness of my ideals and abilities. I look at most critics as being like a high school drop out trying to explain medicine to a college educated doctor. The high school drop out can call the doctor stupid or refuse to take his advice or work with him or whatever but the doctor remains confident in his own education and abilities. It doens't matter if 10 or 20 high school drop outs come together and scream in unison.

    As far as this mythology book: I haven't really directed much criticism at it, with the exeption of those same questions that I've asked and pointing out how its not possible to create such a book that is true to historical Germanic lore. If someone publishes a book about the rites and rituals of the Atlantians I similarly don't need to read the book to ask the question "how do you know what the Atlantians did when there are no sources to reference?".

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    I should have the book in a few days...
    I think the price is definitely worth the effort put into writing it!

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    Does anyone have it already? I would be curious to hear some opinions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrodnand
    Does anyone have it already? I would be curious to hear some opinions.
    Not worth the money, really.

    The most texts are given only in summaries, just some poems or songs in original, and some sagas/stories are weirdly connected to tell some sort of story, which in fact is the very subjective view of the author what or how Asatru should be like.

    It doesnt even serve well as source for cross referencies, the author just quotes his own works, which are only two (but wastes pages over pages with pointing to them over and over again).

    So, really, better invest your money in something else
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    I'm kinda curious as to why the Avesta is there and not some of the other European sources that we have (mobingon or Aeneid or Illiad) or even some of the more ancient forms of law for insight into what really goes on. It just seems to be that using sources that were geographicly and culturally closer to the Germanic pagan era would be more accurate than a source that comes from another continent in a different era under different conditions.

    I'm not sure it's a critisism, I'm just not sure about your methods.

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