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    Uk??

    Found it at Amazon US but not on Amazon UK. Is it going to be coming over here? Or will Amazon US ship to the UK does anyone know??

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    It took The Nature of Asatru about an additional 3 weeks to be available on Amazon UK, however the US version will indeed ship internationally!

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    You can't even answer the question of what the book is about?

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    A link to the Introduction is listed above, it should give you a good idea. Mark Puryear is also formulating a synopsis that should be posted by tomorrow.

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    I read the intro and it doesn't explain anything. For instance, while I am glad the book rejects euhemerism, it supports a "chronology of events" - how is that? It says "the gods sent a divine teacher" ? And then the word "culture" is used over and over which seems quite vague.

    On the same site I read "One enigma we each must ponder is how a sacred tradition originates and what constitutes its sacredness." Surely, a fine starting point. But this must not be simply pondered, but rather experienced so that there leaves no doubt as to the answers of these questions.

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    Here is the latest Norroena Newsletter which is an update from Mark Puryear:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Puryear
    Dear Comrades,

    People have been inquiring as to exactly what The Asatru Edda is, and why they should obtain a copy. After all, there are several translations of the Eddas already available to us. What makes this one different? Well, first of all, this is a work written by and for the men and women of our faith, as a RELIGIOUS text, unlike anything any of us have ever seen. This is not simply a new translation of the Eddas, it is a complete reconfiguration of them, combining all of our sources into a new, coherent epic. From Ginnungagap to Ragnarök, the stories are here presented in chronological order using translations of the sources in their original form. Like pieces of a giant puzzle, our sacred lore is now presented in a way that will allow us to use it in a religious context.

    All of the favorites are here: Völuspá, Hávamál, Sigrdrifumál, etc. they are simply presented in a new light, in a way that strives to mimic the lore as our Odinist/Asatruar ancestors saw it. We have removed Christian misconceptions and mainstream academic biases, we have reached as far back as we could go, and now we present the results of our research that is decades in the making. You will find works that span the ages here, not just the Elder and Younger Edda, but also sources from the Indo-European era, the Sagas, the histories, and even works of today. You’ll see new reconstructions such as a new rune poem and the Runelaw (Rúnlög), as well as the most ancient traditions and ideas on morality, wisdom and faith. Every piece has been dissected, scrutinized, and carefully places into the epic structure using the strict methodology originally created (though here vastly improved upon) by Dr. Viktor Rydberg.

    You will also find an extensive section of notes, detailing the research and its progression, and how these theories resulted in the work at hand. The avid investigator will find all the sources cited, then listed in the bibliography, as well as discussions on how we reached the conclusions we did when they were our own. After that, a complete glossary is given, offering pronunciations, etymologies, and definitions for every single term found in the text. Soon we will be releasing a Study Guide to help people research and understand the text better for themselves.

    This has been a massive project, and we hope that our folk will be able to use it to take the next step in the evolution of our faith, to move past the Era of Inquisition that tainted our lore in the first place. Although we stand firmly against the idea of any sort of dogma, our hope is to create a new understanding of just exactly what we can achieve for our movement, moving beyond the works of outsiders for our religious needs.

    Thank you,

    Mark Puryear, main editor of The Asatru Edda and Director of The Norroena Society

    Works presented in ‘The Asatru Edda’ include:

    Adam of Bremen
    Aethelwed’s Chronicle
    Alvíssmál
    Ammianus Paulus
    The Anglo-Saxon Rune Poem
    Annales Ryenses
    Ásmundar Saga Kappabana
    Atharvaveda
    Atlakviđa
    Atlamál in Groenlenzkv
    Avesta
    Baldrs Draumar (Vegtamskviđa)
    Beowulf
    Bósa Saga
    Bundehesh
    Chronicon Lethrense
    Darađarljóđ
    Deor’s Lament
    Drap Niflunga
    Ecken Ausforth
    Egills Saga
    Eiríkr Viđforlis Saga
    Eiríksmál
    Fädernas Gudasaga
    Faereyeyingasaga
    Fáfnismal
    Fjölsvinnsmál
    Gautrek’s Saga
    Germania
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    Göngu-Hrólfs Saga
    The Gotland Law
    The Great Lacuna
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    Gróttasöngr
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    Guđrunarkviđa
    Gunnars Slagr
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    Gylfaginning
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    Hakonarmál
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    Hamđismál
    Haralds Saga Sigurđssonar
    Harbarđsljód
    Hattatál
    Haustlaung
    Hávamál
    Helgakviđa Hjörvarţssonar
    Helgakviđa Hundingsbana I & II
    Helga ţáttur ţórssonar
    Helreiđ Brynhildar
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    Hervarar Saga ok Heiđreks
    Homa Yasht
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    Ibn Fadlan
    Islandingasaga
    Jordane’s De Goth Origine
    Kormákrs Saga
    Laurin
    Lokasenna
    The Longobard Saga
    The Merseberg Charms
    Nibelungenlied
    Nibelunge Noth
    Njals Saga
    Oddrúnargratr
    Oera Linda Bók
    The Old Icelandic Rune Poem
    The Old Norse Rune Rhyme
    Orvar-Odds Saga
    Origo Gentis Langabardorum
    Paulus Diaconus
    Prose Edda Prologue
    Reginsmál
    Rigsţula
    Rigveda
    Sagan om Svärdet
    Sigrdrifumál
    Sigurđarkviđa III
    Sigurđr and Brynhildr Fragments I & II
    Simeon’s Church History of Durham
    Skáldskaparmál
    Skírnismál
    Sögubrot af Fornkonungum
    Sólarljóđ
    Sonatorrek
    Sörla ţattur
    Sveidal’s Ballad
    Ţiđreks Saga af Bern
    Ţórsdrapa
    Ţrymskviđa
    Urkon
    VafŢrúđnismál
    Valtarius Manufortis
    Vellekla
    Vendidad
    Vilkinasaga
    Vita Ansgarii
    Völsungasaga
    Völundarkviđa
    Völuspá
    Völuspá in Skamma
    Vilkinasaga
    Wessobrun Prayer
    Widsith
    William of Malmesbury
    Wolfdieterich
    Tnglingasaga
    Ynglingatál


    Available for purchase through Amazon.com here: http://www.amazon.comÁsatrú-Edda-Sacred-Lore-North/dp/1440131783/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=124178443 8&sr=8-1

    Or you can bring the ISBN to any local bookstore in the world who can order it for you:
    # ISBN-10: 1440131783
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    Seems worth looking into. So it has sagas from PIE sources such as the rig veda of India??

    I'm not the foremost expert on the sagas and myths but just from what I've studied they seem pretty fragmented beyond salvation. The only way to build something coherent would be to completly rewrite much of the old myths and fill in a lot of the gaps and smooth over the contradictions with your own ideals. Even here not all people agree exactly as to what the myths are. Are they actual history? If so there is no way you can just compare myths and get history, much would be lost at any rate but you'd have to compare antropology and all that. Are the myths rather symbolic tales meant to appeal to our folk soul and to explain morals and so forth? In this case the sagas don't fit because they were actual history and not myths. They also were often exagurated and made entertaining.

    What is the purpose of the myths in this book? A history of our people or as symbolic stories?

    I really think its good to try to do this but I have my doubts about how complete and perfected this work might be. If people were to bring forth legitimate criticism would later editions correct these things?

    My thing is I think a folk religion should come from the folk. As such before an "official" doctrine be publish it should be the result of discussion and consulting many people who practice the religion and are knowledgeable about it and contain an array of opinions and practice. Even the Christian Bible has various authors for this purpose: no one person represents the religion in its entirity. Admittedly in Asatru individual groups and practicers will adapt the books to their own purposes. They are free to criticize and change parts where they see fit, but I think should center themselves around a more consistent and coherent text for reference purpose and consistency across time and space. Though I feel for a book to truly do that job it should have a lot of input from different people. Not one person writing a whole bible himself with only the input of his few friends.

    That's why about a year ago I tried to contact Mark Puryear about working together on a "bible" like project. I never had a reply. I also tried the same with Steve McNallen. No interest there either I guess. I've been working on my book and I'll give it away for free when I get enough money. I don't sell it at any profit myself and I'm constantly rewriting it as I gain new insights. I've had as many Asatruar as I can (not many though) read over it and offer their own insights, suggestions, criticisms etc. I'm doing it not to make money, not to glorify myself, but because I want a tradition to hand to my children and grandchildren and so on that actually benefits them. I feel the religious, philosophical and cultural teachings out there today are destructive to the individual and the group.

    With McNallen I think his writing is good at times but his motivation seems to be to feed his own ego and make a profit. Even though his wife got realy pissed when I wrote her that. It just seems to be my observation when I pay $25 for a book from his website and its about 20 pages with holes popped through them and bound with cheap plastic binding you can buy at walmart. I know self publishing is expensive but I can definately see that his philosophy and teachings have a profit motive behind them. I'm sure he also has his convictions but his motive gets in the way of really doing a service to the folk.

    With Puryear I know with the philosophy of Asatru I really liked the book but could come up with several criticisms of certain points and could make it better. I don't know if his motive is profit but his book was also on the pricey side and the main motivation here seems to be racial preservation which at times may cloud other important aspects of religion. I know when you work hard you want to be compensated for it and I know it is an insane amount of work to undertake a book, but something really needs to be made with the intent of social change and helping the folk rather than with the intent of personal gain, whether through reputation, money etc.

    I've been working on putting together a "cannon" for Asatru myself. This would include works by various authors. I'd be glad to work together on something if the interest really is helping the folk. I'm in College now and I should be able to make plenty of money to support myself without relying on sales of books. As soon as I'm in good financial shape I'll print them up, pay for it myself and distrubute them for free the same way Christians hand out Bibles or Mormons hand out books of mormon. Because I think a healthy philosophy can really help people. I'd also be willing to start an Asatruar "church", but I really don't see the support behind it. There aren't enough people for me to really get a community going. I'll just have to see what happens in the future.

    The way I take Asatru racially can be compared to Christianity and Judaism. Some are racialist and/or tribalists. For them this represents their native tradition. It would be most logical to follow the religion of your ancestors and one that most suits you racially. Yet there are others such as universalists who may follow it because they believe in the philosophy or whatever. To them I would encourage them to adapt the philosophy and such to a tradition that is more in line with their own folk, but they are free to do what they will. Various groups and tribes may consider themselves Germanic but not even consider each other Germanic (what about Americans with 2% Native American who follow Asatru vs. "pure" Germans?). I think race is too relative of a concept to really try to make any religion, philosophy or way of life racially exclusive. Nonetheless in Asatru every group, nation, tribe etc. has a right to define itself and be exclusive if it chooses. Other groups may be universal (such as the official religion of Iceland being Asatru and also not being racially exclusive). Going back to Christianity/Judaism you will see that Judaism is practiced by people largely descended from historical Jews. They may have evolved or changed a bit since then but for the most part they are following the traditions of their ancestors. Christians however are focused on Jewish history, customs, laws etc. but are not ethnically Jewish. They are a universalist religion. In a similar way Asatruar who are not racially Aryo-Germanic are more or less like modern Christians and the ones who are practicing the religion of their forefathers are like the modern Jews. Jews have no reason to go out and tell a Christian he can't read the torah or observe the customs/philosophy of his people, but at the same time a Jew doesn't have to accept a Christian into his own family... I hope what I write makes sense. lol

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    Dear Rainman, maybe you should read the book before you write a critique about it

    The introduction and the text above make very clear, that this is not the work of only one person, and that it wasnt pulled together 'on the fly' but is the result of twenty years of work. And it makes also clear, that this still is NOT meant as a dogma or doctrine, you're still free to accept or reject it, to critisise, correct and just make your own interpretion of it.
    I just think, provided the book holds its promise, that it might be the most complete collection and the least biased translation. And that is exactly what was missing so far. The most translations I own myself I really hate, because the translations are christian and the comments are christian, it is really hard to strip off that stuff yourself while reading. So at the very basic point this new collection and translation offers a complete new base to discuss about heathenry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katia View Post
    PRESS RELEASE

    We are very excited to announce the arrival of a new book, which we feel is going to greatly advance the reconstruction of our sacred traditions. It is called “The Asatru Edda”, and it is the very first attempt ever at creating a sacred text for our faith. After 11 years of collecting thousands of notes, reading volumes of material, translating several foreign works, and piecing together every sacred text and epic that is connected to our faith in chronological order, we finally have a body of lore that we can call our own. The Asatru Edda connects our ancient fragments in their original forms like a giant puzzle, while using comparative investigations and logical, methodical research to gill in the gaps whenever necessary. It encompasses

    The purpose here is not to create an Asatru “Bible” in the sense of a dogmatic doctrine, but rather to revive our holy storytelling traditions without Christian taint or academic bias. Indeed, it was not the monotheists that we looked to in considering the formulation of our own hierology, it was our Indo-European, Hindu cousins, who have remained true to their ways and untouched by the One od religions even to this day. We can learn from their example and see that if we had not faced the Inquisitions, we would certainly have our own versions of the Vedas, or Bundahesh, or Bhagavad Gita. Now we can begin the journey, now we can pick up where our ancestors left off. Even if a thousand more Eddas are written, each different from the last, now we can begin re-establishing our sacred tales as our own.

    Hail the Gods!

    The Norroena Society

    The book is available for purchase through Amazon.com here:

    http://www.amazon.com/Ásatrú-Edda-Sacred-Lore-North/dp/1440131783/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=124178443 8&sr=8-1



    Or you can bring the ISBN to any local bookstore in the world who can order it for you:
    # ISBN-10: 1440131783
    # ISBN-13: 978-1440131783

    This is really exciting. I haven't ordered a copy yet, but plan on doing so later today.
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    My criticism was of the already published book by the same people on the philosophy of Asatru and also some directed at totally different people (McNallen). In reading the Philosophy of Asatru it is quite obvious that it was not a collective effort of people knowledgeable on the subject. It was maybe Mark Puryear and some of his friends, but no real effort to reach out to the community at large and have an open dialog.

    Nonetheless my primary question still lingers: is the book about history or symbolic religious literature?

    Likewise most of the "lore" was written by Christians directly. It wasn't translated by Christians per se, it was actually written as a primary source by Christians (thus where all the Christian influence comes from). Yes it is vaguely based on some stories their grandmother might have told them and may have a little drop of the true old tradition in it, but its so corrupted as to be nearly useless to us. Much of what we consider Asatru "religion" was actually bed time stories for little kids made up by the minds of Christians around the late middle ages. Yet foolishly we consider these to be ancient myths and to have some religious significance where really little exists. I've studied the Aryo-Germanic traditions and realized that any truly pre-Christian reconstruction of the Nordic myths and tradition is not possible. It must be filled in either with modern ideals, the authors ideals, or what was gleaned from related sources (like Greek tradition, the Indian Eddas etc.) or some combination.

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