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    Few East Germans Interested in Revisiting Stasi Atrocities

    Berlin's notorious Stasi detention center is now a memorial site meant to educate visitors about the injustices committed under communism. But many are worried that former East Germans simply aren't interested.

    Only 20 percent of visitors to the Hohenschoenhausen Memorial come from the eastern German states that made up the GDR.

    Hohenschoenhausen is a unique "living memorial" which includes many of the original prison furnishings, providing a sort of time capsule to show what prison life was like for many of the GDR's best-known dissidents. The memorial has been hugely successful in the 15 years since it opened, attracting a record 250,000 visitors last year.

    The generation, which lived under Communism also does not seem to be discussing Stasi brutality with their children. Several school-aged visitors at the recent exhibit said the subject was brushed over, both at school and at home.
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    I went to the Hohenschönhausen Memorial and joined a guided tour led by a homosexual, who used to be incarcerated there. He told us a few horror stories, but nothing spectacular.

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    Well, they were a little atrocious and their treatment of prisoners wasn't exactly exemplary.

    The now-deceased late husband of a good friend of my gran's was incarcerated alongside his entire school class because they blew up a monument to Stalin in late 1945.

    Nine years after they were imprisoned in 1946, the Russians left. The Russians had treated them like pieces of dump, but warned them/promised them that they'd be seeing the day when they'd all pray for them to come back, as their fellow countrymen apparatschiks (that is, German communism-loyalists as opposed to common Russian soldiers) would be even more merciless.

    That promise turned out to be true, and many did not survive the ordeal. Out of 25 who were incarcerated for the demolition of the monument, only eight were still alive by the time of their release in 1962. He was one of the lucky who made it.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
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    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    Germans are busier being concerned with the Nazi 'atrocities', as we all know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    Germans are busier being concerned with the Nazi 'atrocities', as we all know.
    No, they aren't busier about it by default - they are being taught into being busier about it. We know that it needs 5% of leaders to have 95% of sheeple follow. Many never question what is being handed down to them, and even if they do - often only concern themselves with that which they hear more about. There's both more "Holocaust believers" and "Holocuast deniers" than there are "Stasi believers" and "Stasi deniers".

    Let us wonder why they teach us to be more concerned about "Nazi atrocities" than "Stasi atrocities".

    The Stasi were committing atrocities towards their own people. That is deemed uninteresting by the establishment. They couldn't care less about the suffering of their own people, as there is no guilt to be derived from it, only an incentive to do it better.

    That which we conceive from the GDR is a "never again" type of feeling when we consider it, as our own people suffered under it. It surely had its merit (such as the importance being placed on national consciousness) - but the association is made biologically: "A system which destroys its own people must never happen again."

    National Socialism is different. It's reign during the 1933-1945 period brought Germans prosperity. As such, there is no remorse to be derived from that. Even pointing towards the imprisonment of political enemies will get a secret "not bothered" by people. There is no remorse to be instilled, as the people at large did not suffer at it.

    That is where the idea of guilt comes into play. You can only feel remorse about that which you did to yourself or your own kind, but you can only feel guilt about what you did to others, whether you did it or not is entirely irrelevant, if you believe that you did, then that's what guides your approach.

    Remorse is a constructive feeling because it is future-orientated and in the vein of doing it better. Guilt is a destructive feeling because it is past-orientated and in the vein of making it up to someone else. Remorse is geared to learn from your mistakes, whilst guilt by definition is geared to remedy for your wrongs.

    And since the establishment, or more correctly, its puppet-players, do not want consciousness about improving upon the faults of the past to manifest, but instead wish to instill this guilt --- that is solely why "Nazi atrocities" are given a higher importance by the establishment.

    Remorse tends to build up a damaged folk spirit, whilst Guilt tends to keep it stale. They know this, and that's how they're trying to guide "dealing with the past".
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    It's a delaying tactic. I imagine there are quite a few prominent officials in Germany who had ties with the Stasi and the Communist era.

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    The officials are interested in more GDR-related education, especially Merkel who grew up under that regime, and before her Schroeder, it's the people who lack the interest, generally for two reasons: one, communist history is still recent, within living memory of many and would compel some people to look in the mirror and not like what they see at all. Two, the Ostalgia is quite an industry, there are bars, cafes and hotels which make money out of this stuff. There was even a Stasi-themed pub, Die Firma (The Firm), which was considered offensive by Schroeder.

    Anyway, according to different independent studies, there are more political prisoners in the FRG today than there were in the GDR. There is no more Stasi, but the most basic human rights like privacy are violated by Big Brother fetishists behind the excuse of "security". And not just in Germany. Sweden's new wiretapping law 'much worse than the Stasi'. The "offspring" of the SED still have their own, perfectly legal party, The Left Party (Die Linke), though it's currently observed by the Verfassungsschutz, which is ironically considered a sort of Stasi 2.0 by some. And political prisoners? Why, the FRG would never resort to such atrocious, and outdated Stasi-like techniques.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    No, they aren't busier about it by default - they are being taught into being busier about it...
    I didn't say or imply the reason they are busy with it, I just said they are, which is a fact here in Germany. NS and especially Holocaust education is a must, GDR and Stasi is not, especially if you go to the former West Germany. There it's not considered as a part of its history since the country was split.

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