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    Post Classify Jos Antonio Primo de Rivera y Sez de Heredia, leader of Falange Espaola

    HEREDIA is a Gypsy surname.

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    Post Re: Classify Jos Antonio Primo de Rivera y Sez de Heredia, leader of Falange Espaola

    What about the Gypsy surname Heredia
    Where did you get the idea that Heredia is a "gypsy" surname? Its a Basque surname:

    Heredia.- Linaje vasco, del lugar de su nombre, en el ayuntamiento de Barrundia, partido judicial de Vitoria (lava), de donde pas a Aragn y Navarra. prob repetidas veces su nobleza en las rdenes de Santiago, Calatrava, Alcntara, Carlos III y de Malta (S. Juan de Jerusalem), y en la real Compaa de Guardias Marines. Traen por armas: De gules, cinco torres almenadas de oro puestas en sotuer. Lema: "Pro legem et regem si morimur vivimus

    http://www.art-marble.com/escudos/lista1/h.htm

    A person with the name Heredia in the 14 century.
    http://www.biografiasyvidas.com/biog...de_heredia.htm

    Gypsies arrived in Spain in the 15 century...

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    Post Re: Classify Jos Antonio Primo de Rivera y Sez de Heredia, leader of Falange Espaola

    He is an European Mediterranid, probably of the Atlantomediterranid variant.
    Magna Europa est patria nostra
    STOP GATS! STOP LIBERALISM!

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    Post Re: Classify Jos Antonio Primo de Rivera y Sez de Heredia, leader of Falange Espaola

    Quote Originally Posted by Hidalgo
    Where did you get the idea that Heredia is a "gypsy" surname? Its a Basque surname:

    Heredia.- Linaje vasco, del lugar de su nombre, en el ayuntamiento de Barrundia, partido judicial de Vitoria (lava), de donde pas a Aragn y Navarra. prob repetidas veces su nobleza en las rdenes de Santiago, Calatrava, Alcntara, Carlos III y de Malta (S. Juan de Jerusalem), y en la real Compaa de Guardias Marines. Traen por armas: De gules, cinco torres almenadas de oro puestas en sotuer. Lema: "Pro legem et regem si morimur vivimus

    http://www.art-marble.com/escudos/lista1/h.htm

    A person with the name Heredia in the 14 century.
    http://www.biografiasyvidas.com/biog...de_heredia.htm

    Gypsies arrived in Spain in the 15 century...
    Right Saez de Heredia is the surname by Jose Antonios mother side; she was from La Rioja a Castilian land near of Basque land.

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    Post Re: Classify Jos Antonio Primo de Rivera y Sez de Heredia, leader of Falange Espaola

    Quote Originally Posted by Hidalgo
    Where did you get the idea that Heredia is a "gypsy" surname? Its a Basque surname:

    Heredia.- Linaje vasco, del lugar de su nombre, en el ayuntamiento de Barrundia, partido judicial de Vitoria (lava), de donde pas a Aragn y Navarra. prob repetidas veces su nobleza en las rdenes de Santiago, Calatrava, Alcntara, Carlos III y de Malta (S. Juan de Jerusalem), y en la real Compaa de Guardias Marines. Traen por armas: De gules, cinco torres almenadas de oro puestas en sotuer. Lema: "Pro legem et regem si morimur vivimus

    http://www.art-marble.com/escudos/lista1/h.htm

    A person with the name Heredia in the 14 century.
    http://www.biografiasyvidas.com/biog...de_heredia.htm

    Gypsies arrived in Spain in the 15 century...
    How do you know that the "Heredia" surname of Jos Antonio isn't from Gypsy origins?. Yes, Gypsies arrived in Spain in the XV Century and a lot of them gave the surnames of their patrons. But I repeat: how do you know that the "Heredia" surname of Jos Antonio isn't from Gypsy origins?. Isn't impossible that his surname are Gypsy by the way that a lot of Gypsies adopted it.
    You know, it isn't a stupid thing to say that certain names are typical of certain ethnicities or nationalities. I mean, there aren't too many WN named Aaron Levy, too many toreros named Ernst Mller or too many flamenco singers named Jordi Puigdefbregues or Koldo Isparregizebarrenoizerretagoitia.

    As a sociological study, I asked to name some "typically Spaniard Gypsy" surnames. I got Amaya, Heredia, Flores, Montoya, Amador, and Reyes. I then added up the surnames of the 85 people on the Cal (Gypsy) Nationalist Party ballot, figuring you're probably a Gypsy yourself if you're on the ballot of that party. That's a total of 170 surnames, two per person. Here's the distribution of interesting stuff:

    "Standard" Gypsy surnames:

    Flores 15
    Amaya 14
    Heredia 11
    Amador 9
    Montoya 3
    Reyes 1

    Standard Spanish surnames:

    Jimnez 18
    Fernndez 12
    Prez 6
    Hernndez 2
    Martnez 2
    Rodrguez 1
    Gonzlez 1
    Lpez 0
    Garca 0

    Standard Portuguese surnames:
    Silva 4
    Vargas 3
    Santos 2

    Standard Catalan surnames:

    Soler 1
    Torres 1

    Common other surnames among Gypsies:

    Corts 14
    Santiago 13
    Manzano 9

    Conclusion: All of the surnames that are stereotypically Gypsy turn up, though Montoya and Reyes are not really that common. Several standard Spanish surnames, with no intrinsic Gypsy connection, turn up in large numbers, but some other very common Spanish surnames don't turn up at all. Catalan surnames barely appear, though Portuguese surnames are not too uncommon. Corts, Santiago and Manzano are common surnames among Gypsies, but for some reason are not considered stereotypically Gypsy.

    Here you are many famous Spaniard Gypsies surnamed "Heredia":

    - Flamenco's singers: Jess Heredia, Mariano Heredia, "Chonchi" Heredia, Marina Heredia and Jos Ortega Heredia "Manzanita".
    - Pilar Heredia Iglesias, the President of the "Asociacin de Mujeres de Yerba-Buena", Getafe, Madrid.
    - Jos Heredia Fernndez "To Carlos", a leader of the Gypsy community of Getafe (Madrid).
    - Luis Heredia Amaya, a sculptor.
    - Jos Heredia Amaya, a poet.
    - Juan de Dis Ramrez-Heredia, a politician.
    Last edited by Combatent; Thursday, May 27th, 2004 at 06:35 AM.

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    Post Re: Classify Jos Antonio Primo de Rivera y Sez de Heredia, leader of Falange Espaola

    How do you know that the "Heredia" surname of Jos Antonio isn't from Gypsy origins?
    There are several reasons.

    1. 100 years ago there were very few Gypsies in Spain(60.000, 19 milion Inhabitants)
    2. His father was Marqus(Marquise, highest status of nobility after Duke) It is quite unlikely that a Marquise would marry a Gypsy.
    3. The most important point: his mothers surname was de Heredia not Heredia. You know whats the big difference? Only people that belonged to nobility could have the "de" in their name. A gypsy that insisted to have the de in his name would be like a south american indian or negro would insist to be classified as white in colonial times. Show me one gypsy called de Heredia.

    By the way Jos Antonio seems Gypsy to me
    He has a long-head, sharp chin, long thin nose, light eyes and is tall. Are those gypsie traits? Quite the contrary Gypsies are short, have short broad faces and broad noses. See Joaquin Cortes, Los del Rio(Macarena), Las ketchup.

    Jos Antonio Primo de Rivera sonre. Su juventud, fsicamente, recuerda mucho la senectud de su padre. Es alto, fuerte, tiene los ojos claros.
    http://www.rumbos.net/ocja/jaoc2011.html

    Remember only pure white people have light eyes.

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    Post Re: Classify Jos Antonio Primo de Rivera y Sez de Heredia, leader of Falange Espao

    just to add to this thread... Herdia is also the name of many portuguese nobles, and through monarchy, it was very rare, if it wasn't impossible, that a gypsy could reach such position on social hierarchy...
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    Classify Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera

    Jose Antonio, founder of Falange Espaola, Spanish patriot and martyr, cowardly assassinated by the Red Government during the Civil War.




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    Re: Classify Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera

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    Re: Classify Jos Antonio Primo de Rivera y Sez de Heredia, leader of Falange Espaola

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