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    Post Re: Monarchy!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall
    I agree, however, Ukraine has the blue and gold flag like Sverige, like how their upper class was the Norman section. Obviously they'd fly such a flag.
    Excuse me? The Ukrainian "upper class" was not composed of Norman elements.

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    I see that I have regained your attention.

    I meant Kiev as being Norman, a long time ago(pre-Mongol). I figured that they gave tribute to their heritage by the flag's colours. In fact, the same colours are found on some Danish flags as well, with little other decoration.

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    Post Re: Monarchy!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall
    I see that I have regained your attention.

    I meant Kiev as being Norman, a long time ago(pre-Mongol).
    It never was a Norman city.

    I figured that they gave tribute to their heritage by the flag's colours. In fact, the same colours are found on some Danish flags as well, with little other decoration.
    That really doesnt prove anything. Scotland and the Russian navy basically use the same flag, since both have the same patron saint of Andrew the Apostle.

    Scotland's Flag


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    Post Re: Monarchy!

    Interesting facts. I guess I'll stay away from this one. I don't really have definitive proof and I am not Slavic, so I won't challenge you.

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    Rodskarl, there is no singular introduction of such symbols as the cross and the crown [halo, aura]. If Meds introduced those things to Northern Europe [and they didn't as they were already there in particularly nordic forms], then who introduced them to the Meds before that? - the Aryas!

    I speculate on a pan-European monarchy because this sub-forum is dedicated to the vision of a European Empire ['imperium europa'].

    The Swastika is only found in areas of ancient Aryan expansion and settlement [it is not found in Africa for example]; therefore it was chosen as a pan-Aryan symbol, rightly so.

    The sun may be universal, but it means one thing to a nord [who welcomes it], and something very different to an African who is tormented by its heat.


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    Meds moved the customs northwards. Simple artwork can be done anywhere around the general area of trade for bartering. Just because they made it, doesn't mean they ascribed to it. Take it from working class folks who do factory labour and other mechanical duties; they certainly provided the resources for the consumers to buy from. Artisanry isn't rigid, except in Hitlerian terms.

    I tell you, I am in desert right now and it's terrible. I want to live in Greenland to get away from it(at least for a while). I like the cold.

    Trade routes don't specifically denote an empire of people, except perhaps like the USA trash culture, then you might have some basis for a connection. I despise that enough, why would I want a king for this to be made permanent?

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    Logically speaking, if we are talking of a European Empire [as is the thrust of this subforum], then we are implying the possibility of a European Emperor.
    Of course, such issues are in the realm of the hypothetical at present.
    There are many models form history, the most common being a series of kindred petty kingdoms with one of them being mutually recognised as over-lord.

    We have plenty of evidence of the ancient Roman's reaction to north European culture. They found many parallels between the Celtic/Teutonic pantheons and that of the Roman/Greek, for example. They assumed that those who worshipped Wotan, say, were merely worshipping Mercury by another name.

    And this has been the main thrust of my point in our discussions thus far; even before the sciences of linguistics or anthropology had shown very real connections between the Indo-Europeans, Aryans themselves were making them instinctively, poetically and mythically.

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    Puskin and Rodskarl Dubhgall: I'm posting this as a neutral party.

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    Moody, they were just trying to identify some similarities to know how to judge them, like when the native europeans met the native american tribes, they and to simulate relationships with words and actions to get an understanding. Obviously, we are all human, so we have an underlying connection. I believe in a few empires, like each for the "meta-ethnicity" in our user account profiles, with the kings being for the ethnicity. I do not consider myself european or white, but Nordish(Norwegian) with quite a bit of English, with a mass exposure to Frankish and Frisian culture, but not others, except in passing. I don't consider myself ethnically Germanic much, because to me, that reminds me of the Goths, Burgundians, Allemans, Longobards, Swabens, Teutons, Jutes, Thuringers, Saxons, etc. I do feel Scandinavian, no doubt, but Germanic seems Baltic phenoma. I'm sure the Irish and British "Celts" feel the same way about the continent. I actually feel closer to Irish and British "Celts" than I do to my Germanic "cousins", because of a shared environment and lifestyles.

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    Post Re: Monarchy!

    On your first point, Rodskarl; when Europeans colonised and conquered the Americas they took a very different view of the native religions. They regarded them either as perversions of Christianity or else as Devil-worship.
    They then set about CONVERTING them. See also the work of Christian Missionaries.

    This is very different to the way that the pagan Romans dealt with the religions of other pagan peoples. In this case they merely added them on to their own pantheon as I have described. This worked because the Indo-European religions are all closely related [and this also explains why the pagan Romans persecuted the monotheistic religion of the Jews/Christians].
    The same cannot be said for the Semitic and Aryan religions; when these meet, religious conflict ensued.

    To suggest that this is because "we are all human" misses the point; the real point is that those of related cultures are compatible, while those of unrelated ones are not.
    So in this sense we are NOT "all human", but we ARE Aryans, [or Semites, Mongolians etc.,] and "never the twain shall meet".

    There is not, as far as I know, any evidence that all the world's languages are connected, although there IS evidence that language groups are connected.

    As to your own ethnicity as you mention it, isn't it true that the Scandinavian areas were the last to lose their ice-covering after the last ice age? And that the Scandinavian Nordics must have migrated north from more southerly lands?

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