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    Post Re: Monarchy!

    I would also support a monarchial style of government, as I believe having a monarchy typically rallies all the subjects under one standard -- and not to mention it is much less divisive than this great conspiracy called 'democracy.'

    I do not believe the American colonies had justification to leave Great Britian or revolt against the king. American colonist had become spoiled and used to not paying taxes. When King George was forced to tax his subjects after the wars with France -- the colonist were quite ungratful and traitorous to turn against the king and ally with the French. I assume they had forgotten they were British themselves. While I had ancestors on both sides of this war -- I can proudly claim that those of my name were Loyalist and paid dearly for this loyalty. I too share their sentiments deep down.

    It is my hope that Britain will have renewed love for their royal family and will again see their kings and queens as essential to national pride and unity. I believe King William may prove to be a great hope to his nation and the savior of his nations monarchy. I pray he will not be afraid to assert his right and responsibilities as king.

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    I support the type of monarchical system that existed in old Kieven Rus and Muscovy: that is a mixture of autocratic monarchy with a democratic element(largely at the local level but often operated at the national level). Indeed Solzhenitsyn has written much about how this system could work in the modern age.

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    Post Re: Monarchy!

    Moody:
    I don't agree. Chinese dragons made it all the way to Cymru. That in itself is enough to substantiate my claim. Besides, all "popular" kings during the olden times ascribed to grandeur by having their genealogies substituted to accomodate oriental lineages, including the (Levantine) Bible after Christianity became the heyday.

    Dusty:
    I have UEL family in Canada. I am considering officially joining the UEL. But then, I'm not really much of a British monarchy type guy. My mother's side is English but my father's side is Nordish, so, I'd support Norge, but that's my deal...

    Pushkin:
    Are you a Normanist or Slavicist?
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    Post Re: Monarchy!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall
    It makes better sense to have the King be of the land, and Emperor of the people.
    An empire should be based on population, not land size. Land is simply one division from another, hence, kingship. In order to have a successful empire, you must have separate raw materials to draw upon and combine for fruition. Kingship identifies local culture as opposed to the emperor who representitively unites them all for a common goal.

    Compare USA/Canada model of "Federal" government that has imperialist orientation(Manifest Destiny). State governments could be seen as kingships. This is all very broad, but I'm trying to assert heirarchy here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall
    Besides, all "popular" kings during the olden times ascribed to grandeur by having their genealogies substituted to accomodate oriental lineages, including the (Levantine) Bible after Christianity became the heyday.
    LOL! :eyes

    Pushkin:
    Are you a Normanist or Slavicist?
    Im a Slavicist primarily, the Normanist theory has been discredited since at least the 1960's. If there were Scandinavian influence, it was slight and insignificant.


    "There is general agreement now that the Scandinavian impact on East Slav society and culture was mininal. Appearing as small, enterprising bands of warrior-merchants, the Varangians rapidly assimilated the East Slavic language and culture and were probally too few in number to bring about important changes in native ways...There are, therefore, good reasons to view the rise of Kiev not as the exclusive achievement of one ethnic group or another, but as the result of a complex Slavic/Scandinavian interrelationship."
    --Ukraine: A History by Orest Subtelny, pg.25

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    Post Re: Monarchy!

    I agree, however, Ukraine has the blue and gold flag like Sverige, like how their upper class was the Norman section. Obviously they'd fly such a flag.

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    Post Re: Monarchy!

    Moody becomes a Christian? Interesting.

    Unity between the leadership and the population of a country via religion (religion is not moral-inclusive - see Greek heathenism) is one of the best ways to keep it strong. A particularist religion (e.g. Judaism for the Jews) works even better. Yes, I am in favour of Monarchy, and a form of meritocratic aristocracy (decadents who rule simply because their ancestors were excellent fighters/administrators for the King shouldn't be there). With an efficient, benevolent (i.e. not terrorise the population) traditionalist (monarchy/aristocracy) Government, there would be very few reasons why one would object to it. Lichtenstein has a Monarchy and it's economy is brilliant, there are (insofar as I know) very few civil disturbances of any sort.
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    Post Re: Monarchy!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack
    decadents who rule simply because their ancestors were excellent fighters/administrators for the King shouldn't be there
    This is the main problem with monarchy. In theory, I'm a 100% loyal to my king (Carl XVI Gustaf) but let's face it, he as well as his principal heirs are total retards; and the Crown Princess may actually be marrying a "Svensson" (suburban average joe) soon.

    However, most of the European royal families are more intelligent and better fit to rule than the democratic trash we put up with today. Certainly a hereditary principle of government is infinitely preferable to a democratic one. And pure meritocracy breeds too much instability and social unrest, I think.

    The solution may be some sort of breeding control over the royal bloodline, making sure it stays strong, smart, and healthy. And the nobility should be indoctrinated with the noblesse oblige concept from a very early age.

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    Post Re: Monarchy!

    How about the hereditary Royalty? Each Germanic king(North, Geat/Swede, Jute/Dane, Saxon etc.) can vote in election for an Emperor of the Germanic people. When I say Germanic I do not mean Prussian!

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    Post Re: Monarchy!

    For that Empery, perhaps our genealogists should find the closest to the line of Charlemagne?

    I believe that the Blood-line itself, and the Role of kingship itself, are far more important than the particular individuals involved [providing they be of the Blood of course]. The institutions themselves are able to survive weak kings, just as they positively thrive under strong kings.

    It MUST be heriditary in basis to be worthy of the name Royal.

    To Earl Jack; I am not for a Christian Monarchy as such; the kingly line of Europe goes back far beyond the introduction of Christianity; indeed, I believe that the Royal culture merely assimilated the Christian and is redolent far more of paganism in its essence.

    To Earl Rodskarl; To me Monarchy is about an unbroken chain of inheritance and heritage going back into the mists of time. The English Royal line may properly go back to Woden, but then Woden, as Snorri said, was one of the Aesir and so from Asia as the name suggests.
    To me, ultimately the Line goes back to the original Aryas - it was their gift to us.

    To Earl KoolKalm; I agree with what you say about the American renegades and their traitorship toward the Crown [and they are paying for that].
    As far as Britain is concerned though, I think that we may have to go back to the Tudor line as the present 'Windsors' [actually Saxe-Coburg-Gotha] have presided over race-treason in the Realm.


    Back to the Tudors
    Last edited by Moody; Tuesday, May 25th, 2004 at 06:20 PM. Reason: spelling
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