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    But still, anyway, I am persuaded that the franks were named after their own word for "free", that is frank. It is the commonly admitted hypothesis, the official one. It's what I found in every history books about Franks, and in every encyclopedias.
    Yes, like I mentioned I know this hypothesis and have also read it. It could have also been a word to have a "dual" meaning...who knows, but as you say your hypothesis is the most "well known", I just personally have more faith in the one I've read about Have you read the Salian Frankish Laws? (of course latinisised as the original Franks, as all Germanics, would not have used money ), but at some points in this document the word "Freeman" is used while at other points Frank..it seems, in my eyes anyways, to be a distinguishment. Its all very intersting though.

    For the weaponry, it depends of the period I think.
    Yes, I most definetly agree. As you know, my source, Tacitus's Germania, was speaking of prior to the Frankish invasion of Gaul which I will use to lead into my next response to you.

    And under the Carolingians, the Franks made great use of swords, and the "Frankish sword" was famed to be one of the best weapons of the time. (just remember Durandal, Roland' sword that had cut a big rock in two !!! )
    Yes, this under the Carolingians, which is much later on than my source. The "famed Frankish swords" were not so "famed" or "in use" at the time..as mentioned it was the javelins. And it is documented that even with the Frankish invasion into Armorica the Gauls knew them for using their "franks"(as I have read) or javelins..this was something that apparently stood out.

    Haha, I have a replica dagger of Roland's Durandal Its very nice!

    Thank you for the links! I will check them out right now! Do you read any of Jean Mabire's books by the way?

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    The Franks must have used their swords after they gained control of France from the post Roman occupiers.

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    Perhaps Frank is from Frammic?

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    My understanding is that the word "Frank" references the weapon favored or known in association with the Franks, the spear. Saxon is Saxe-man. A Saxe is a three foot long backed blade which was used primarily for slashing and cutting chain mail. It was heavy. Imagine a meat cleaver which is three feet long and that is the basic idea. I have no internet references, this is something I read a long time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff
    My understanding is that the word "Frank" references the weapon favored or known in association with the Franks, the spear. Saxon is Saxe-man. A Saxe is a three foot long backed blade which was used primarily for slashing and cutting chain mail. It was heavy. Imagine a meat cleaver which is three feet long and that is the basic idea. I have no internet references, this is something I read a long time ago.
    Ouch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artois' Redneck
    France from Freyr or Frigg ?

    No, France comes from the root frank, name of the tribe of the Franks (frank meaning "free") = Frank-reich, Frank-rijk...

    [The Frankish kings (those before Clovis/Hlodweg the traitor ) said themselves to be descendants from Wotan. So he would be the tribal founder.]

    And Normandie comes from North-manni, the Northmen... the nor- has nothing to do with Njord or Nerthus, but just mean nord, north...
    Njord is the personification of the North.

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    Maybe Sax and Frank are posessive of the same terminal distinction? sea(x/ks)? fran(ks)? The 2 letters m/n have been widely interchanged.

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    Rodskarl, no offense but your etymologies are specious at best and perhaps in reality very ridiculous. Honestly and positively I encourage you to read some linguistic books, and maybe an intro to indo-european linguistics, as well as some on more specific Germanic languages.

    *Nerthuz (from Tacitus) could not be related to *north- except by ablaut gradation; you would have to show me a believable etymological connection here, as for the others. Odin is from PN *Wodanz, prob. related to wod- 'mad', prob. not from an earlier stage (if so, it would be *Wodenaz). Franc- is commonly known to be from OFr. franka- a type of throwing axe, perhaps (debatably) deriv. of Tacitus' "framea" (?= *framijaz 'pusher' or 'performer'). Though placenames abound bearing references to Odin and other gods in localities, such large areas and provinces do not. Teuton- has a much debated origin, ranging from celtic tribal name to more commonly held notion of *Theuda "people, nation as a whole", as you can see much different from Gmc. *Tiwaz, PIE *dyeu-o-s. Deutsch/(land) is a comparatively recent term in its meaning.

    You might be more successful to argue for Burgundians coming from Bornholm or Goths from Gotland (though neither is supported too widely now).

    Please, do not, whatever you do, do not start talking about the lost tribe of Dan of Israel founding the Danaan Greeks and Denmark. I would have to hurt myself badly if it were true!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thiudans
    Rodskarl, no offense but your etymologies are specious at best and perhaps in reality very ridiculous.

    Please, do not, whatever you do, do not start talking about the lost tribe of Dan of Israel founding the Danaan Greeks and Denmark. I would have to hurt myself badly if it were true!

    -Thiudans
    Well, now if I did that, you might have a real reason to disagree with my statements.

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    Anybody else notice or believe in divine founders as namesakes of blood and soil?

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