View Poll Results: What are your thoughts on the Quebec question?

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  • I believe Quebec should be a separate nation from the rest of Canada.

    75 51.72%
  • I believe Quebec should remain a part of Canada, but there should be more effort to preserve French-Canadian heritage.

    38 26.21%
  • I believe the situation should remain as it is.

    16 11.03%
  • I am undecided.

    6 4.14%
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Thread: The Quebec Question

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    Quebec...


    Trudeau.... Paul Martin... Jean Chretien... Stephane Dion... IMO... Probably best they do separate so they don't send anymore airheads to Ottawa.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Most French-Canadians I have met claim Norman descent. The Normans were a Germanic tribe. They also follow the old faith of Germanics. What are your thoughts on that?

    Those ''French-Canadians'' are lying.
    Although it is true that a good number of the initial families did come from Normandy and Breton, after all - Nordish people have always been the first to march off to war and exploration.


    But then you had the ''King's daughters'', about a thousand prostitutes and most of them belonging to the lowest racial stock in France.

    But then the largest group came from Frenchmen who migrated into Quebec from 1840 and 1900's. Most of them came from Paris but also Southern France, which lumped during the industrial revolution and caused a lot of displaced farmers to head to Quebec.

    It was these same types who reduced Montreal from an Anglophone City, with about 70% of the population speaking English as a primary tongue, to an exclusively French city. This annoys me because my Scottish line were a part of that Anglophone population. To this day, the Frenchies are still trying to drive out the remnants (including fourth cousins of mine) of that Anglophone population in Montreal.



    The Quebecois is not a Germanic person. We can see this with the average man and Quebecois politician. Most of them belong to the Mediterranean branch.

    Likewise the Quebecois integrated a lot of French-speaking Arabs from Syria and France.


    This is different from the Cajuns of the United States. The Cajuns were Acadians and prior to their deportation, almost all of them were made up of Bretons and Normans, the same stock which conquered Britain with William the Conqueror.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    Most French-Canadians I have met claim Norman descent. The Normans were a Germanic tribe. They also follow the old faith of Germanics. What are your thoughts on that?
    I know this question wasn't addressed to me but no I don't consider them Germanic. Just because a French person calls themself "Norman" and practices some form of the Old Germanic Religion does not make them Germanic. Otherwise others will start to use the same criteria and start calling themselves Germanic. For example, there are Northern Italians that consider themselves "Lombardic" and practice some form of the Old Germanic Religion. Does that make them Germanic, no of course not. We have to draw the line somewhere and we should not make a special exception for the French.

    Also just being from Normandy does not make somebody Germanic either. We have to to take into consideration what has historically gone on in a particular region in terms of cultural, ethnic as well as genetic change over time. For instance the region of Andalusia in Southern Spain was named after the Vandals but the Vandals as we know them no longer exist. It would be silly if the Spanish people living in the Andalusia region suddenly considered themselves Vandals and tried to identify as Germanic. There is a difference between acknowledging a Germanic Influence in a region or a country and those literally claiming to be Germanic.

    I don't have anything against French people personally but they are not Germanic and they have historically been an ethnic and political rival to Germanic peoples for quite some time. I have spoken with Anglo/Germanic descended Canadians and they are sick and tired of the French Language practically being forced on them and the overall National Anti WASP Agenda pushed by French in Quebec.

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    Speaking as a Canadian with some French (Acadian mind you) background, I would say that I applaud the efforts of the Québécois to maintain a distinct culture and many others could learn a lesson from them. I have met native Québécois on both sides of the issue and my personal belief is that, I would call them Canadians and an interesting part of our Canadian culture. However, I believe its firmly up to the Québécois to decide for themselves and indeed this issue has been raised before in the form of referendums in 1980 and again in 95'.

    In the referendums, more particularly the 95' referendum, there was only a margin victory for the non-separatists and those of French background voted in majority for sovereignty. I tend to think that Quebec would suffer as a result of splitting from the R.O.C. but again it should be up to the Québécois to decide.

    My vote is that I believe the situation should see Quebec as a part of Canada but with an emphasis on maintaining their distinct French culture. Of course, to have it forced down people's throats is unfortunate, if the French are a majority and they want to preserve their culture, I believe it certainly should be permissible. I plan to be living in Montreal while enrolled in Medical School, it will offer me a better glimpse into French-English relations and then I could provide a better answer with practical knowledge behind it.

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    If only the rest of Canada would follow Quebec's example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilgrim View Post
    If only the rest of Canada would follow Quebec's example.
    Quebec's example is rather Marxist, it is not ideal at all.

    But there are less popular nationlist movements in Western and Atlantic Canada. Last election was the first time I had the ability to vote for one.

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    I meant the eagerness to preserve their culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilgrim View Post
    I meant the eagerness to preserve their culture.
    The problem I see is that many think that if you speak French, then you are French. It is the same thing I see in Irish 'nationalists'. Everyone is good except the English.

    But simply put, getting a Negro from Haiti is not productive in their cause, even if it speaks French. But this is what they support on a main-stream level.

    Nationalism needs to go beyond basic culture.

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    I hope this doesnt offend anyone, but I actually have a strong view on this.
    I live in Ottawa and here it is very bilingual. You basically have to know french to get a good job and I grew up in a small town with no french.
    So here everythings half and half, but when you go to the Quebec side theres almost no English.

    I find and this is just a personal opinion that Canadian athletes that are from Quebec more like represent the fact that they are from Quebec and not being Canadian. And others and famous people to if they are from say Ontario say Canada and represent that not "Ontario."

    I find Alberta, BC, Ontario, Nova Scotia ect. are very different then Quebec. Different laws and everything.

    I think we should all stick together though! Differences can be worked out it doesnt need to go to thoes extremes. Or maybe it does. I duno.

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    I've only skimmed through this, so it may have been mentioned, but technically Quebecers already constitute a "separate nation". As for being an independent country, it's gotten to the point where I frankly wouldn't have a problem with it (although I doubt it would ever really happen). Quebec has much to lose; within Canada it has certain guarantees in regards to culture and heritage; and Franco-Canadians outside of Quebec would suddenly find themselves in jurisdictions which would happily do away with bilingualism.

    One thing that I admire about Quebec is the importance that they place on their culture, heritage, and history. They seem to have a greater sense and appreciation for the land, and agriculture is still viewed as a defining feature of their identity. Due to its early settlement, it also has many impressive architectural gems of all sorts, and they seem much more intent on preserving this than Ontario does. Ontario has allowed too much of our architectural be destroyed in recent years.

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    Well if one looks back at Canadian History, the French have been trying to seperate since the time of Laurier and before, so if not then how is it they are to succeed later. It was a known fact that even off to war both the English & French soldiers were fighting on the train to send them off to Europe, and at a few stations.
    Its more like a boiling pot of egos, and no ones getting too far with what it is they're trying to achieve, they could seperate sure, but most Canadians would sooner go South of the border to avoid the Province. English & French built Montreal together. In my opinion Quebecs not special enough to seperate, so what if its a language issue and a few other issues.

    No matter how the politicians play the game at the end of the day when the votings completed and counted more people want to stay part of Canada.

    Stutzcat

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