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    I Came from a Middle Eastern Farmer?

    Hello everyone!

    I just got done reading this article, and I wanted to know what you guys think...here is an exerpt:

    "But if the people of this region are primarily nordic, how can all the brunets and brown eyes be accounted for? Their characteristics have been described as "brown, hazel, or black eyes, with brown (chestnut), dark-brown, or black hair." It is also mistakenly referred to as "celtic". Archaeologists know that long before the Celts crossed the English Channel there was a pre-Celtic race living in the British Isles. Thousands of years ago Neolithic farmers from the eastern Mediterranean began to settle in mainland Europe (Chikhi et al. 2002). These Middle Eastern farmers contributed about 50% of the genes of modern Europeans.

    British archaeologist Jacquetta Hawkes described them as being "...slightly built, dark people, with long, rather narrow heads and delicate features, members of that ancient Mediterranean race that today can be seen at its purest among the southern Italians." However, a recent DNA study indicates that these Neolithic farmers had little genetic influence on Britain and Scandinavia. Britons and Scandinavians belong to what geneticists have called the "North Atlantic Region".

    Although so-called "celtic" y-chromosomes can be discerned from Scandinavian y-chromosomes, the people of the British Isles and Scandinavia are genetically more similar to each other than they are to any other European group. For example, one of the genetic characteristics that Britons and Scandinavians share can be found in the mitochondrial DNA and x-chromosomes of both Welshmen and Norwegians. Geneticists have recently discovered that the Welsh and the Norwegians share the same maternal ancestry (Wilson et al. 2001). One report shows that there is simply no sharp difference between the women of Scotland, Wales, and Ireland and the women of Scandinavia.

    The most likely explanation for this phenomenon is that a mass migration from Scandinavia to Britain must have occurred thousands of years ago that involved primarily women. They were so numerous that they eventually displaced the native women already there. One researcher explains: "The implication is that somewhere along the line, whether willingly or unwillingly, females from the continent joined the population in Britain and swamped out the earlier genetic complement from the maternal side."

    Another study has corroborated the fact that the Celtic-speaking people of the British Isles and the people of Scandinavia are descended from the same group of women (Helgason et al. 2001). But what is the exact nature of this genetic inheritance? The women of the British Isles and Scandinavia are most closely related to the Germans (Helgason et al. 2001). This underscores the essentially nordic nature of the British people."

    Here is the link http://www.geocities.com/farthegn/page29b.html

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    Have your Y-Chromosome tested and you shall know your answer after that.

    In a nutshell, genetic testing has shown that the spread of neolithic agriculture into Europe was much more the result of cultural diffusion than to population replacement/genetic swamping. This is particularly so in northern & northwestern Europe--in other words, the areas furthest from the Middle East.

    A 50% genetic contribution from the Neolithic is way too high in my opinion (for Europe as a whole). I would reckon it to me more along the lines of 20%.

    Lots to read on the subject here:

    http://dna-forums.org/

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    So you are saying that it's not probable that most Scandinavians have Middle Eastern genes in them?


    And how does one go about getting one of these tests. Do they cost anything?

    Thank you for the link by the way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geri View Post
    So you are saying that it's not probable that most scandinavians have middle eastern genes in them?
    More or less, yes. The same holds true for folks from the British Isles, the Low Countries, most of France, Germany and eastward into Slavic lands. The Y-Chromosome haplogroup J is more often linked with the neolithic spread of agriculture than any other, from what I understand:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J2_(Y-DNA)


    and how does one go about getting one of these tests. Do they cost anything?
    There are several commercial outfits that do genetic testing. Family Tree DNA is one:

    http://www.familytreedna.com/Default.aspx?c=1

    Keep in mind that the Y-chromosome is only one minute slice of your total ancestry. It is passed from father to son to son to son to son to son, etc. In other words, women can not be tested for this.


    Thank you for the link by the way
    My pleasure.

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    So, when you get a Y chromosome test, it shows the group of your father's father's father and so on. So, let's say you go back the thousands of years that this article talks about them, then you have many thousands of ancestors, and you will know the possible origins of one?

    So, even if the one person was a neolithic Middle Eastern farmer, maybe 99.999% of your other relatives weren't, or vice versa. Is it possible to learn more than your one ancestor from any of these tests, or am I misunderstanding how they are done? If that is how it's done, it doesn't seem to be extremely useful, unless the imput of one person can overwhelm all the other traits and genes of your countless other ancestors.

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