Interesting things!

[Stephen]

Check out this table:
EU18 haplotype [indo european]

Hungary 60
Poland 56.4
Ukraine 54
Bielorussia isnt on the list, but I guess the highest is there.

This means that the most pure Indo European people are the Hungarians now?
They are leading the list with a 60% EU18 marker.
[The EU18 gene is the indo european marker.]

Also I dont get this:
EU7 Haplotype

Croatian 44.8
Saami [Lapp] 41.7
German 37.5
Polish 23.6
Dutch 22.2

How could this be??? Croatians, Germans and Lapps got "almost" the same EU7 marker?
What do you think about this?

[Stephen]

The full table about the haplotypes can be found here:

http://website.lineone.net/~usenet_e...e/gene_legacy/

[Awar]

Nope, the 'IE' marker is Eu19.

[Stephen]

Oh god damn sorry, I meant the EU19 marker of course.

So here is the corrected post:

EU19 haplotype [indo european]

Hungary 60
Poland 56.4
Ukraine 54
Bielorussia isnt on the list, but I guess the highest is there.

[White Preservationist]

This means that the most pure Indo European people are the Hungarians now?

That is about correct.

Eastern europeans are the purest indo-europeans.

Scandinavians and nordics have comperatively little indo-european ancestry.

[White Preservationist]

"Analyses of mtDNA sequence variation in European populations have been conducted (6, 20). These data suggest that the gene pool has ~80% Paleolithic and ~20% Neolithic ancestry. Our data support this observation because haplotypes Eu4, Eu9, Eu10, and Eu11 account for ~22% of European Y chromosomes."



- http://website.lineone.net/~usenet_e...e/gene_legacy/

[morfrain_encilgar]

Nope, the 'IE' marker is Eu19.

Noone knows where Indo-European was spoken the first, so you can't identify who spoke the first Indo-European languages, by genetics.

[Awar]

Noone knows where Indo-European was spoken the first, so you can't identify who spoke the first Indo-European languages, by genetics.

Sure, I was just pointing out that in the studies where it IS associated with any gene marker, it's associated with Eu19, not 18.

I do however believe that the IE was spread with the Eu19 people, but that it originated somewhere else.

Personally I think IE originated in the Balkans, and then slowly spread to southern Russia from where it caught on to the 'right crowd' who quickly dispersed IE all around Europe and Asia.

[Stephen]

That is about correct.

Eastern europeans are the purest indo-europeans.

Scandinavians and nordics have comperatively little indo-european ancestry.

This is very interesting, since the Hungarian language is Finno-Ugric and it is not an indo european language, it is something very unique.
Still they are the purest indo europeans by blood.

[morfrain_encilgar]

Sure, I was just pointing out that in the studies where it IS associated with any gene marker, it's associated with Eu19, not 18.

I do however believe that the IE was spread with the Eu19 people, but that it originated somewhere else.

Personally I think IE originated in the Balkans, and then slowly spread to southern Russia from where it caught on to the 'right crowd' who quickly dispersed IE all around Europe and Asia.

Indo-European could have originated in the Balkans, because this makes perfect sense. I think most people agree that it had to be somewhere around the Black Sea regions. because Anatolian is in Asia Minor.

After the seperation of Indo-Iranian, I would think Indo-European languages were spread by a northern people, after they got them through assimilating immigrants of a Neolithic Black Sea racial type.