Why Does the "Movement" Marginalize National Socialists?

[Nachtengel]

I've seen it on several white/European/Germanic forums and I have to ask, honestly: why does the nationalist/preservationist/call it what you want "movement" marginalize Nationalsocialists, tries to dissociate from them and view them as some sort of pariah? Most say it's because Nationalsocialists use imagery which is damaging to the movement and paints them as the stereotypical image in the media. But I have troubles believing it.

On at least two other forums, swastikas are banned from being used in avatars and signatures, but other political symbols, including ones that are perceived as racist in the media, like Ku Klux Klan, RaHoWa, are allowed. Criticism of Jews is frowned at, but other minorities like Muslims are allowed to be criticized and even slurred at.

I can't help sensing a bias against Nationalsocialists. So? Nationalsocialists are not good enough for the movement? You don't consider them your allies?

PS: Please only serious answers, not "Nationalsocialism is ungermanic" and ad hominems against Hitler please.

[Hersir]

Alot of people I know is against nationalsocialism because the term has so much baggage that you cant really be taken seriously by everyday people.
Many people in the "movement" seem to prefer a identitarian view over national-socialist.

[Hierwend]

It's probably to save face with the public and try to seem more approachable. Once you start showing of swatsikas and talking about national socialsim in most places there is a collective "Oi vey wasn't 6 million enough?" You can't praise NS or talk about the jewish question without most people having that gut reaction.

I don't agree with that viewpoint but to me that is what it all boils down to. I'm pretty new here and not sure how the forum feels about revisionist view points but I highly doubt 6 million died, but that is off-topic.

[Nachtengel]

But how about the Mohammed cartoons? Looks Islamophobic, judging by the everyday political correctness and definition of racism:



It doesn't look more approachable to me nor more mainstream. It looks to me like the movement just doesn't accept criticism of Jews and Judaism/Zionism. If it's against Muslims, Negroes and other minorities, then it's alright. Just not against Jews.

[Hierwend]

Exactly jews are taboo. Blacks and Muslims don't own the media and therefor the minds of the masses. While racism is unacceptable anti-semitism is worse. It's a double double standard =P

[Nachtengel]

I'm pretty new here and not sure how the forum feels about revisionist view points but I highly doubt 6 million died, but that is off-topic.

I don't think the forum has a particular stance on it. It's a free speech forum, so the topic is debatable. There are people here who believe the official story of the Holocaust and people who have doubts, like you. From time to time some trolls come and throw a story about Jewish soap (which was denied even by Holocaustians themselves ).

Anyway, something else that has occurred to me:
Nationalsocialism is more elitist than other ideologies. I'm under the impression therefore that some people in the "movement" are offended by Nationalsocialism because they would like their racially alien/mentally disabled/handicapped friends to be a part of it too. Many people don't like eugenics and racial hygiene. Look at the earlier debate about black admixture. Some people would like octoroons to be accepted. The movement didn't used to be like this. It seems the concept of white gets more and more diluted and inclusive. More and more people are offended by the ideal of racial purity.

[Bärin]

When people think of national socialists, they think of this:







It looks extreme and it embarrasses them. They want to look more like this:





Like average, ordinary people in other words.

[Rassenhygieniker]

Exactly jews are taboo.

In seinem Buch, "Ihr Heiden", behauptet Maurice Samuel das folgende über seine Leute:

"Wir Juden, wir sind die Zerstörer und wir werden die Zerstörer bleiben. Nichts was ihr tun werdet wird unsere Forderungen und Nöte erfüllen. Wir werden für immer zerstören, denn wir möchten eine Welt für uns selbst."

Seit 1922 arbeitet Maurice Samuel als Schriftführer für Chaim Weizmann, den Anführer der Weltweiten Zionistischen Bewegung.

Not only are they taboo, they are Godly as well. Germanic racialism is unacceptable and therefore Nationalism-based Socialism for Germanics is ungodly, Jewish racism on the other hand is the voice of G_d and therefore incontestably right.

[Nachtengel]

Whites in the movement give too much of a damn about what the Jews think. The Jews will never give them validation, regardless if they wear bomber jackets or suits. Suits aren't going to make it any better, because the Jew wants to subdue Germanics and it won't take any chances.

The movement has gotten so infested with mainstreamism it's almost unbelievable. Sometimes not even the average, non-movement people are so worried about being so PC as the movement people are. I talk to average, non-movement people who don't believe in the official story of the Holocaust and aren't afraid to comment on it. But if you go to one of those movement sites and you mention the Jews it's a touchy subject.

And maybe some neo-Nazis are the splitting image of the media stereotype. So? Should they make giant efforts to stop being themselves, for the sake of some pipedreams of winning political elections which will never come? Why shouldn't they shave their heads and wear bomber jackets if they like it? People in the movement often call you superficial if you discriminate based on age, height, weight, but how is rejecting someone because of their hairstyle and what they wear any different?

[Sissi]

I'm neither a National Socialist nor hate National Socialists, but if it's about swastika avatars & co., well I think it's simple, they're not legal in many Germanic countries and in Europe overall. Some of you are afraid of your boss or your university colleagues and real life friends finding out you post on "racist" sites and you don't make your views known in public life because the consequences are obvious. Why would the owners of those forums which allegedly forbid swastikas feel different than how you do? They have not only themselves to protect, but also thousands or tens of hundreds of members like in Stormfront's case. Have you read what happened to some German forums? The antifascists hacked them and posted their names and addresses in public. What if that happens to you, and in your profile there is a swastika avatar? Will you wish you'd have never uploaded it there?