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Thread: EU Enlargement: Should Turkey Join the EU?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NormanBlood
    I'd say they are much more than a "religion" heh
    That's for sure. The Jewish are certainly much more than a religion, specially as in Israel itself the vast majority are atheist. They as we do, have a genetic aspect they want very much to preserve; for them it's at minimum having a Jewish mother, tho the Jewish prefer a person to have both parents be Jewish if at all possible. Yes, a person can convert after a great deal of study (often taking years and passing difficult test); conversion is quite rare and if I am not mistaken more than a few Jewish will not accept the convert as true as they do not have that genetic component, and it may take several generations after conversion for that family to be accepted in general.

    So, tho not technically a race, in behavior the Jewish in many ways act as one ("race light" if one will). Should you run into a person of a Jewish background claiming "race is not real"; you might challenge them to then give up that minimum of having the Jewish mother as the definition of Jewish which is their equivelant of race. Generally they won't as that's at the very core of what defines a Jewish person's Jewishness just as for us Europeons its having both parents define us.
    Turman found a copy of The Graduate, and thought highly enough of the story that he made a movie he considered to be 90-percent faithful to the book.

    But Turman and director Mike Nichols made one key adaptation, changing the Braddocks from WASP-y blonde characters into a dark-haired, more ethnic-looking family.

    From NPR's Present at the Creation

    http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/patc/graduate/

    http://www.norcalmovies.com/TheGraduate/tg11.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razmig
    You DO know that Israelis came from European countries right?.
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    Insane.

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    I was countering Vetinarl's "Jews and Turkish" chromosone similarities. Jews took a hefty hand full of European blood back to Israel, as did the Turks from the Balkans and Anatolia. Perhaps those similarities have nothing to do with "non-europid" affiliation. In either case they both deserve annihilation, because they are both evil, as well as culturally and historically my enemies. They don't deserve Europe's table scraps.

    btw Jew's own the world...we DO know that don't we? Something seriously needs to be done about Jews owning banks in Germany, and Turks arn't too far behind in taking over Germany as well as the rest of Europe. There are well over 70 million Turks, just in Turkey. =/ Anyone have spare nukes?

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    Turks are nothing but ex-Armenians, ex-Greeks, ex-Slavs and others who were ( more often than not ) forcedly Turkified and Islamized. There is nothing wrong with their DNA, it's the culture that can and will harm Europe.

    On the other hand, I can see no extraordinary evil that will befall Europe if Israel joins the union. They already own our asses, they can do whatever they want, them joining the EU won't change this fact for the worse :-)

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    I do not see the issue in terms of physical types (see attached photo of blond Turk Abdullah Ercan). I have never seen a non-Europid (if one does not count the not so frequent Turanids, whom are not unique for that land) Turk, and many are as European as most people in Eastern Europe.

    USA want Turkey in EU. Everything to serve their interests.

    I remember a documentary on Swedish Public TV (read about that, here: http://www.danieldrezner.com/archives/000176.html) about the new, prospective EU expansion countries who were negotiating during Denmark's EU presidency in 2002. One could see from the controversial behind the camera comments that Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen did not want Turkey in EU. He still had to meet a representative, and Bush had also made a call for Turkey. It also showed him meeting Putin regarding the situation of the Kaliningrad question.

    Read more about the documentary mentioned above:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2948395.stm

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/europe/2967287.stm

    Also read:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/europe/2420697.stm (I saw this interview on BBC World, Valery Giscard d'Estaing is somewhat Nordid,

    http://www.educ-pop.org/lesimages/862.gif

    http://www.rnw.nl/hotspots/assets/im...Estaing180.jpg)


    Culturally, Turkey is no more European than Armenia, Georgia or Iran. It is a strategical, geo-political and economical matter. Perhaps even less, as the secularism in Turkey is very superficial, which one can observe from the Turkish immigrants in Northern Europe, albeit many are from Eastern Turkey and not representative of all the country.

    Personally, I do not want Turkey in Europe, for the sake of the Northern European (especially the youth, Turk is the same kind of swear word in Sweden, and perhaps Germany too, as Paki is in Britain) people. I could change my mind if I saw a behavioural change. I am being unfair though, as I am generalising from a few bad experiences. Northern European kids tend to be afraid of a group of Turkish boys with slicked back hair who stand in a corned and look tough. I do not blame them though, as they can often be dangerous. It is not a matter of religion, as Bosnians are also Muslim. We can see that Turkish secularism is in many ways something artificial.

    What if a significant number of Turks are like Ercan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    Turks are nothing but ex-Armenians, ex-Greeks, ex-Slavs and others who were ( more often than not ) forcedly Turkified and Islamized. There is nothing wrong with their DNA, it's the culture that can and will harm Europe.
    This is spoken as if by someone who themselves either HAS or FEARS the presence of Turkish blood in their veins. Turks themselves are quite racially diverse and it's pointless to argue about their actual racial components as the end result is something that is simply incapable of either advancing or even blending in with European Civilization.

    In fact, the Turks, in their invations of Europe have left such a detrimental genetic mark on Europe that large portions, I'd even say a majority of the Balkan peoples, are also incapable of either advancing or even maintaining European Civilization.

    In the Final Battle, that we can only pray will be fought at least by the time our grandchildren come, not only will Turkey itself have to be made a nuclear wasteland, devoid not only of human life, but probably all other forms of life as well, but the Balkans itself will have to be filled with a few thousand miles of trench, into which millions of racially mixed Turks will have to be machine-gunned...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugnox
    This is spoken as if by someone who themselves either HAS or FEARS the presence of Turkish blood in their veins. Turks themselves are quite racially diverse and it's pointless to argue about their actual racial components as the end result is something that is simply incapable of either advancing or even blending in with European Civilization.

    In fact, the Turks, in their invations of Europe have left such a detrimental genetic mark on Europe that large portions, I'd even say a majority of the Balkan peoples, are also incapable of either advancing or even maintaining European Civilization.

    In the Final Battle, that we can only pray will be fought at least by the time our grandchildren come, not only will Turkey itself have to be made a nuclear wasteland, devoid not only of human life, but probably all other forms of life as well, but the Balkans itself will have to be filled with a few thousand miles of trench, into which millions of racially mixed Turks will have to be machine-gunned...

    Hmm, you could write a science fiction novel about this horrible future wars

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    Pugnox, you outdo yourself each time. Why should I be afraid of having any Turkish blood? If I do have, that won't change me in any way, I am who I am, and I belong to where I belong ( ok, I might visit Kushadasi and Bodrum a couple more times :-D ).

    In any case, I'll wait 'till I can get my hands on the 3.0 version of that ancestry test everyone is talking about, and we'll see.

    According to phenotypes, there is a great difference between the Turks of Turkey and those of Turkestan. Also, I would hesitate to call Turks incapable of something, they have already proven their capabilities, there are millions of reasons on why they are what they are today, why they are a potential threat to Europe etc. I've already adressed this issues here at Skadi on a few occasions, and I'm not about to repeat myself.

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    In fact, the Turks, in their invations of Europe have left such a detrimental genetic mark on Europe that large portions, I'd even say a majority of the Balkan peoples, are also incapable of either advancing or even maintaining European Civilization.

    The only mark the Turks left in the Balcans is a cultural mark, like for example the Muslim religion of the Albanians. The genetic mark was on the contrary left by South Europeans and people from all the Mediteranean area, to the Ottoman gene pool, this is the reason the present day Turkish nation is more progressive than other heavily muslim Asiatic countries. Turkeys difference with the other muslim countries is that Turkey had contact with Europe for some centuries of time but still it is not a country that can identify as "European".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugnox
    This is spoken as if by someone who themselves either HAS or FEARS the presence of Turkish blood in their veins. Turks themselves are quite racially diverse and it's pointless to argue about their actual racial components as the end result is something that is simply incapable of either advancing or even blending in with European Civilization.
    What is "Turkish blood"? Type A,B,O? It's the emigration of more Turks,bringing along their cultural ways I assume, into European countries that people are against.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pugnox
    In fact, the Turks, in their invations of Europe have left such a detrimental genetic mark on Europe that large portions, I'd even say a majority of the Balkan peoples, are also incapable of either advancing or even maintaining European Civilization.
    Why do you want to retire in Bulgaria then? You want to change their genetic mark? :-P
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