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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    Poor people are doomed to be poor...there's nothing we could do about it.
    That's not necessarily true but sure, the poor have less of a chance of breaking out of the poverty cycle. It also depends on the society they live in and it also depends to some extent on their ethnic background. For example, many Oriental (Chinese / Korean / Vietnamese) immigrants to the US arrived with nearly nothing. The parents (1st generation) would typically work menial jobs or open little shops but by the 2nd generation the children would be well educated and in professional type jobs. Certain other ethnic groups have been spectacularly less successful at lifting themselves out of poverty despite numerous programs which provided them with opportunities to do so.

    In societies where education is unaffordable except to those with access to vast funds it would be quite difficult to break out of the poverty cycle.

    Where education is largely paid for by the state, not too expensive and where loans are readily available to all prospective students they stand a better chance to "move up".

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty;93 That's 7062
    That's not necessarily true but sure, the poor have less of a chance of breaking out of the poverty cycle. It also depends on the society they live in and it also depends to some extent on their ethnic background. For example, many Oriental (Chinese / Korean / Vietnamese) immigrants to the US arrived with nearly nothing. The parents (1st generation) would typically work menial jobs or open little shops but by the 2nd generation the children would be well educated and in professional type jobs. Certain other ethnic groups have been spectacularly less successful at lifting themselves out of poverty despite numerous programs which provided them with opportunities to do so.
    Yes but under who's coast ? You need well functioning societies like ours so that those who're doomed to be poor could escape from their doomed destiny.


    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty;93 That's 7062
    Where education is largely paid for by the state, not too expensive and where loans are readily available to all prospective students they stand a better chance to "move up".
    True like us Scandinavians,our salary are not high compared to American's, because their education is like any other commodities it meant business.
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    In the United States many of the Asian immigrants are very successful business owners. They have a good work ethic and are generally very intelligent.
    Yet our system grants them opportunities that whites are not offered.

    When US government contracts are bid upon there is usually a minority contractor preference.

    Minorities also qualify for low interest business loans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    Yes but under who's coast ? You need well functioning societies like ours so that those who're doomed to be poor could escape from their doomed destiny.
    Sure, not every country provides these opportunities. I think it's possible that there will be at least some opportunities in countries like China and India for the poor.

    The former USSR provided a good standard of education to its citizens.

    The situation is a bit different in Russia today where there are less opportunities, higher educational costs and a very corrupt University admissions system which discriminates against "honest" or poorer students who either won't or can't pay bribes in order to be accepted.

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    We also have many non Jewish Eastern European immigrants in Washington State.
    I personally have worked with and befriended a few Russians and Ukranians.
    They tell about how rough it is back home. No opportunity.
    They can not believe the lazy Americans "mostly blacks" that don't know how good they have it. Always wanting more for nothing, and never applying themselves, always looking for a handout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
    If you look at the present time the Indians and Chinese have either become very dominating or very white and elite.
    Indians were under the governance of British India during 19th Century to early 20th Century. British culture has profound influence to their modern culture. It is Germanic people that helped transforming India into a more Germanic place to live than ancient times.

    There are Indian diaspora in South Africa, United States, Hong Kong and Singapore. And it's a good sign to see most of them embracing capitalism.

    Under British rule, Chinese people in Hong Kong have improved their living standards and economic system. The economic freedom in Hong Kong consistently ranking amongst the top 10 in the world. It was British Colonial government that imposed reforms, led by the Financial Secretary Sir John Copperthwaite.

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    The conclusions I came to for my book:

    a) the people matter more than the system. A strong, intelligent people will be successful (to some degree) in just about any system. A stupid, flawed people will fail in just about any system. Cultural values, personal beliefs, local social networks, and the genetic quality of people are the main factors to life.

    b) Despite this in the most ideal nation I would propose something very similar to the Chinese or perhaps reformed Russia (but without the corruption). There would need to be caps on how much capital a person can own. This is because money makes more money. Rich people make a million dollars sitting on the toilette taking a sh*t while regular people work themselves into an early grave for nothing. This has to be acounted for.

    Therefore individuals may be allowed to own their own small business but no more than one. For a big business it would have to have multiple owners. There would be a cap on how much private capital any one person could hold.

    Likewise with wages this goes all the way back to Aristotle and is repeated by the Nazis- no one person should make more than 5 times the wages of the lowest paid worker. This would mean having a minimal wage and a maximum wage. If you think about it 5 times more is a big gap but its reasonable. No one should make $10,000 a minute when I'm busting hump for $5 an hour.
    But if you do this there must be a quality program to go with it: people who are unfit, like mental retards would be excluded from the system- sterilized and taken under state control or expelled from the folk community. You would have to have minimal standards in quality of persons.

    People would be allowed to own their own home and x number of additional homes. Personal home size might be limited to something reasonable- like no more than 10 times larger than average.

    This would allow for people to significantly climb the social ladder but eliminate the absurd extremes like people with 45 acre homes worth 50 million dollars who make 100 million dollars a year and do no work- just own capital.

    It also allows people to run their own businesses and such and eliminate government waste. Certain large industries would have to be taken over by government which they do in the U.S. and Europe anyway (like utlities or large mines and such). I think the Chinese model is superior which it is actually the closest thing to nationl socalism. Japan or China- japan has the racial laws- china has the socialism of the NS. I believe they will come to dominate the world and overtake the west simply because they are under better leadership.

    Yes China is poor. yes they may lack some creativity skills that whites have. But they are being trained by us. They are taking the best elements of our society and integrating it into theirs while we are barely learning from them other than maybe some yoga or tai chi or something. They have the highest growth, the highest standard of living growth- one of their biggest problems is over population because Asians value their famlies unlike us therefore they breed- but they are fixing that with laws limiting child births.

    They have proposed plans to have a small minority of whites live in their nation to contribute their unique skills, yet have no use for minorities who contribute nothing. Everything the Asians are doing is what I would do if I was a leader. Yet in the west it seems like a bunch of clowns and monkeys run the show or else Jews who don't care what happens to our nation.

    I see most of the worlds power and wealth concentrated in Asia in the future.

    India though- nah. They are failures that the Jew and liberal media try to make out as superior so we mix with them. They have a huge population so yeah out of a billion people you can find a few doctors or successful people, but overall they live in piles of trash, failure and so on. They've learned to build some factories and have a few western like schools- big whoop. Unless India does some kind of heavy eugenics program they will never be first world. They can only export cheap labor, which is of inferior quality to Eastern Asian labor most of the time. The only good thing they got going for them is they speak English. Many of them only speak 1 languge- English yet still can't pronounce it right.

    I had one of these geniuses Indians teaching math in a college course I took. she lived here for 20 years but you could barely understand her English. She couldn't explain the math problems, and when she did them on the board she would often get the problems wrong and mess up her math. She was useless as a teacher. I'm guessing she got a degree because she was a minority and got hired because she was a minority. The idea that Indians are geniuses is a myth. Yeah they have a few over achievers here and there you can find successful Africans, but the other 99.9% of them are under achievers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rainman View Post
    The conclusions I came to for my book:

    Cultural values, personal beliefs, local social networks, and the genetic quality of people are the main factors to life.
    Those things are important if you want comfort and security. Though, it is struggle and hardship and failure that motivate success. And it is the human spirit of facing those obstacles that make mediocre men exceptional. Anything, that artificially lessons struggle, only serves to enfeeble and weaken.


    b) Despite this in the most ideal nation I would propose something very similar to the Chinese or perhaps reformed Russia (but without the corruption).
    I like how you threw in your order of authoritarianism 'without corruption'. Yet, the only thing that can maintain power is corruption, so in short what you would propose can not exist at length, since only power can secure that type of control.

    There would need to be caps on how much capital a person can own. This is because money makes more money. Rich people make a million dollars sitting on the toilette taking a sh*t while regular people work themselves into an early grave for nothing.
    If you take money out of the hands who generate it you sap it away from those who need it most. Do you ever stop to think how many are employed because of the wealthy? These filthy rich do not just sit on their money like idiots. They are smart so they either spend it or invest it. Either way the businesses they create generate work for those who need work.


    Therefore individuals may be allowed to own their own small business but no more than one. For a big business it would have to have multiple owners. There would be a cap on how much private capital any one person could hold.

    More restrictions are not the answer to a system that is self restricting, through supply and demand. All capital caps will do is strangle what little life the market has. The main problems you see today with the market are because of the protectionist laws that allowed wages to be driven up and with it the price of goods and services.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainman View Post
    Cultural values, personal beliefs, local social networks, and the genetic quality of people are the main factors to life.
    I agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by rainman View Post
    There would need to be caps on how much capital a person can own. This is because money makes more money.
    I agree, however, the solution is a change of the monetary system and the rejection of "thought patents" and other ridicules copy right laws. Effortless income will be much rarer then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vindefense View Post
    Though, it is struggle and hardship and failure that motivate success.
    By your logic, those Niggers in Africa should be the most successful of us all.
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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    I think Capitalism would be even better if the world was entirely White.

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