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    Bad English Speakers / Is English an Illogical and Inconsistent Language?

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    Similar in America with bad English speakers. Most of them minorities, wiggers, or foriegners. Oftentimes you go the store or something and the person working there- you can't understand them. Or you have to learn dumbed down ebonic English.

    "I is ge'in it. Me speakum dee slang"

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainman View Post
    Similar in America with bad English speakers. Most of them minorities, wiggers, or foriegners. Oftentimes you go the store or something and the person working there- you can't understand them. Or you have to learn dumbed down ebonic English.

    "I is ge'in it. Me speakum dee slang"
    LOL.

    Don't compare American illiteracy with German/Austrian illiteracy. The difference is monumental. Have a look on this board. Every other American I know can't spell properly in his language. Many white American members on this board make spelling and grammar mistakes in their posts.

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    Not to mention that German is a much more difficult language than English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainman View Post
    Similar in America with bad English speakers. Most of them minorities, wiggers, or foriegners. Oftentimes you go the store or something and the person working there- you can't understand them. Or you have to learn dumbed down ebonic English.

    "I is ge'in it. Me speakum dee slang"
    I'm really not trying to be a troll by picking on you today, but the hypocrisy in this post is funny. Here is a grammatically-correct version of your post:

    "There is a similar situation in America with bad English speakers. Most of the speakers are minorities, wiggers, or foreigners. Often times when you go to the store you cannot understand the person working there, unless you have learned dumbed-down Ebonics."

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    That is true. I post in a less formal way and often make little mistakes because I type fast. An incomplete or fragmented sentence does serve its purpose in day to day language. I could say to someone "come here" and technically to make it complete I would have to say "will you come over here". Refer to my post about reworking the English langauge because there are many official rules that I find to be pointless.

    However all my points are easily understood and my inflections are not incorrect. Nor did I misunderstand the meaning of a word and use it incorrectly.

    But anyway yeah English is absurdly illogical in spelling and grammar and it takes a great deal of mental energy to pointless adhere to arbitrary rules. Though when you type fast you also make mistakes like spelling "here" as "hear" or whatever.

    Actually I think when I used the "-" thingy that was correct. Albeit unorthodox.

    The irony is pretty funny though.

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    Rainman, in my line of work commercial carpenter, we often break down the English language to its very basics, e.g. Hey you, come here, or get the f**k over there, or headache!
    This sort of communication is most affective in environments of high stress were one does not have time to have an elaborate discussion about the weather.
    It seems to me that over emphasizing correct usage might lead to missing the point!

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    I'm just too much of a rebel to do things proper :-) Maybe that's why blacks speak as they do lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    Not to mention that German is a much more difficult language than English.
    I know just a few words in German, so can't really comment. However, I've taught English and I speak Portuguese, French and a little Spanish. One thing I've learned is that English is by far the most illogical and inconsistent of these languages. This makes it harder to teach. This disadvantage is outweighed by the enthusiasm of students and the omnipresence of English and the consequent exposure of students to the language from a very early age.

    Surely German isn't even more illogical and inconsistent than English?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ossi View Post
    ...Many white American members on this board make spelling and grammar mistakes in their posts.
    Show a little charity, some might be typos.
    “It was intended that when Newspeak had been adopted once and for all and Oldspeak forgotten, a heretical thought should be literally unthinkable, at least so far as thought is dependent on words”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haereticus View Post
    I know just a few words in German, so can't really comment. However, I've taught English and I speak Portuguese, French and a little Spanish. One thing I've learned is that English is by far the most illogical and inconsistent of these languages. This makes it harder to teach. This disadvantage is outweighed by the enthusiasm of students and the omnipresence of English and the consequent exposure of students to the language from a very early age.

    Surely German isn't even more illogical and inconsistent than English?
    No, actually German is one of the most logical languages, but it's still difficult to learn for non-natives. English, instead, is easily learned as a second language by Europeans. Of course they still make some mistakes, but they manage to make themselves understood without frequent catastrophic mistakes. I think this forum is a reflection of it. Rarely do we see any non-Germans posting in German in the German forum, but 90% of the Germans on the forum speak English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    ... 90% of the Germans on the forum speak English.
    Only 90%? I've only ever met one German who didn't.
    “It was intended that when Newspeak had been adopted once and for all and Oldspeak forgotten, a heretical thought should be literally unthinkable, at least so far as thought is dependent on words”

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