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    Quote Originally Posted by Schopenhauer View Post
    Well the the "Out of Africa" theory of human evolution that the multiculties like to trot out every so often has been coming under serious scientific scrutiny lately with the finds in China.

    As for the Aryans, they came from the Caucasus'.
    Yes it seems they were European Indo than the other way down. They moved South and West. Although their earliest legends say they cam from the bitter North.



    It is still evident in DNA although many people lie that their is no connection between the Aryans and white people.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Di..._R1a_Y-DNA.svg
    Distribution Haplogroup R1a Y-DNA.svg

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    Religious shamanistic element discuses. 12,000 BC precursor to stone henge.

    Proto-Indo-European Settlement


    Looks like the pagan hammer to me.


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    RT video about settlement as old as the pyramids in Russia.

    Ancient Aryan settlement discovered


    It is a good job non western Archaeologists exist as they can investigate this stuff without retaliation from the establishment.

    Bettany Hughes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgard View Post

    It is a good job non western Archaeologists exist as they can investigate this stuff without retaliation from the establishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgard View Post
    Yes it seems they were European Indo than the other way down. They moved South and West. Although their earliest legends say they cam from the bitter North.



    It is still evident in DNA although many people lie that their is no connection between the Aryans and white people.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Di..._R1a_Y-DNA.svg
    Distribution Haplogroup R1a Y-DNA.svg
    I think there is a great deal of confusion between the Ayrans that come from Northern India and parts of Pakistan and than the Eurasian Dolicocephalics which migrated into Europe from the Caucausus region from the early Mesolithic time frame all the way into the Neolithic time frame. Indo Europeans have existed as far east as China in the form of the Tocharians who were known for their red hair and blond hair. I think its quite fallacious and this is not directed towards yourself but mainly Nordicists who proclaim there is a connection with the Ayrans and the Indo Europeans. It is a romantic myth and nothing more but there were some Scythian and Samartian carriers of the R1a that moved into Central Europe.



    These people came further from the east and technically they can be said to be associated with Ayran peoples but to say that actually match the concept that the average person would usually have of the Ayran people is fallacious. And the original Europeans originated from the Paleolithic era and were mostly of Cro Magnon inspiration and they migrated into parts of Northern and Central Europe(eventually Northwestern Europe) through Russia after the ice age and had their physical, mental, and psychological characteristics match those of their environment. Eurasian dolicocephalics were much more versatile in terms of adopting to their environment and this was due to the great foresight they possessed into the future.



    The base foundation of Nordic cultures were Upper Paleolithics mostly who represented the back bone of the structure of society, culture, and spirituality in so far as they were more stubborn to let go of old traditions. This is something Gunther observed as well Upper Paleolithics are much more framed out to be preservers and introverted cultivators of the environment and nature. Unlike Nordics who have a greater drive to conquer, to lead, and to determine the future through strategy and systemization of nature and the environment. Consistency is that which defines Upper Paleolithic and this has to do with them being exposed to a similar environment for a long duration of time unlike the more inconsistent and versatile Nordic(Originally Eurasian Dolicocephalic).

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    Not sure if this is a related topic?
    In any case.

    Might it have been that "Modern Humans" out of Africa might NOT have been as modern as we once have thought and just out numbered the original Neanderthal.

    Between 35,000 and 45,000 years ago, Neanderthals in Europe and Asia were replaced by the first modern humans. Why and how this transition occurred remains somewhat controversial. New research from the journal Science suggests that sheer numbers may have played a large role in modern humans' eventual takeover; archeological data shows that early populations of modern humans may have outnumbered Neanderthals by more than 9 to 1.

    Two archaeologists from Cambridge University analyzed data from the Aquitaine region of southern France, which has Europe’s highest density of sites from this era, and one of the most complete archeological records. They used data from three time periods that encompassed the transition between Neanderthals and modern humans: the Mousterian and Chatelperronian eras, during which Neanderthals lived, and the Aurignacian period, which was dominated by modern humans. By examining differences between land use during these time periods, the researchers hoped to determine whether population dynamics played a role in the transition between these two hominins.

    Because of the difficulties in estimating long-ago populations, the researchers used a few different proxies for population sizes and densities. They analyzed the number of occupied sites in each era, the size of these sites, and the accumulation rates of stone tools and animal food remains. Through these proxies, the researchers could get good estimates of population dynamics during the transition from Neanderthals to modern humans in Aquitaine.

    From the Mousterian to the Chatelperronian era, there was very little increase in the number of rock-shelter sites. There were about 26 sites occupied in the Mousterian era, and 31 in the Chatelperronian period, suggesting that the Neanderthal population was not growing quickly. However, there were about 108 sites occupied by modern humans in the Aurignacian period. The increase is similar for occupied open-air sites. Adjusted for time scales, these figures suggest that, between the last Neanderthal-dominated era and the first era dominated by modern humans, the population numbers and densities increased by a factor of about 2.5.

    A similar trend was seen in the sizes of occupied areas, with the Neanderthal sites averaging less than 200 square meters, while several of the modern human sites reached up to 600 square meters. From the size differences of the sites, the researchers estimate population increased up to 3 times as the Neanderthal-dominated era ended and modern humans occupied their sites.

    Finally, the accumulation of stone tools and animal remains tells a similar story: modern humans were far more numerous than the Neanderthals they replaced. The densities of stone tools and animal food remains skyrocketed between the Chatelperronian and Aurignacian eras—according to these differences, the modern human population probably outnumbered the Neanderthals by a factor of about 1.8.

    Each of these statistics, taken alone, tells only part of the story. Since these archaeological proxies was developed independently, the estimations can be looked at cumulatively to get a better idea of the different population sizes. When evaluated as a whole, these estimations show that the population size and densities of modern humans may have been more than 9 times those of the Neanderthals around the time of the population's transition. It’s very likely that a numerical advantage that large played a significant role in modern humans’ dominance over their earlier counterparts.

    While the study did not directly address the features that gave modern humans a population advantage, the authors suggest that it was probably due to a combination of factors such as improved food storage, an increase in social cohesion, and the potential for trade and the exchange of goods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiona View Post
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    I have good reason for that statement. In western academic circles things have become VERY entrenched. It is very unlikely that new evidence that debunks an orthodox theory would get a fair examination. Having been a post-grade I speak from what I have seen. If you want a job for life and promotion you do not question the line you add to it.

    The eastern academic has different motivation. The Chinese wants to prove the China man is different from the African. The Russian wants to uncover a civilisation on Russian soil. This results in them being willing to investigate new fields.

    An example of closed western academic thinking is the subject of race and IQ. The Russians have been doing work on it but in the West any academic that tried was hounded out of his job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgard View Post
    I have good reason for that statement. In western academic circles things have become VERY entrenched. It is very unlikely that new evidence that debunks an orthodox theory would get a fair examination. Having been a post-grade I speak from what I have seen. If you want a job for life and promotion you do not question the line you add to it.

    The eastern academic has different motivation. The Chinese wants to prove the China man is different from the African. The Russian wants to uncover a civilisation on Russian soil. This results in them being willing to investigate new fields.

    An example of closed western academic thinking is the subject of race and IQ. The Russians have been doing work on it but in the West any academic that tried was hounded out of his job.
    This is the problem with the prevailing climate of "Dawkinisism." "Science" has become so rigid in its worldview that it's now coming, more and more, to mirror, in its myopia, the dogma of Xtian fundamentalism. Science, ensconced atop the unassailable peaks of a materialist Mt. Sinai, has stated that mankind originated in Africa, and that's that.

    Obviously, there's more to our evolutionary story than a bunch a boneheaded pygmies getting eaten by the occasional lion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgard View Post
    I have good reason for that statement. In western academic circles things have become VERY entrenched. It is very unlikely that new evidence that debunks an orthodox theory would get a fair examination. Having been a post-grade I speak from what I have seen. If you want a job for life and promotion you do not question the line you add to it.

    The eastern academic has different motivation. The Chinese wants to prove the China man is different from the African. The Russian wants to uncover a civilisation on Russian soil. This results in them being willing to investigate new fields.

    An example of closed western academic thinking is the subject of race and IQ. The Russians have been doing work on it but in the West any academic that tried was hounded out of his job.
    It was a concise comment. I don't no why I thought that emotcon would convey that. lol.I knew what you meant.
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    Since the above is all fictional anyway, perhaps someone has seen the best work on the subject, Robert Howard's Hyperborean Age?

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