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Thread: English Origins: Y Chromosome Evidence for Anglo-Saxon Mass Migration

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    Post English Origins: Y Chromosome Evidence for Anglo-Saxon Mass Migration

    Y Chromosome Evidence for Anglo-Saxon Mass Migration

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    The Frisian Connection, continued

    I noticed that the quote he claim is from CS Coon is in fact from R McCulloch whom did not cite his source. His interpretation is correct as far as Coon's opinions are concerned.

    Over here one can also read about the letter to Marx:
    http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx.../64_11_02a.htm

    Genetic evidence for different male and female roles during cultural transitions in the British Isles

    I had in any case always thought that many in Eastern England (the studies show even more inland too!) are anthropologically related to Holsteiners. This just confirms it.
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    Post Re: English origins

    The Frisian involvement in the Germanic colonisation of what became England is much underplayed but the evidence is definitely there, particularly in the field of comparative Germanic linguistics and also in the use of Frisian runes in the Anglo-Saxon Futhorc.

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    Post Re: English origins

    There are also mediterranid racial types in certain areas in Britain such as Wales. The early iron age people may have also mixed with the celtic (picts). The viking invasion on the eastern coast of England and scotland may have also added to the British genetic pool.

    But we must not forget the Roman stay in Britain, which may be still present in the genetic pool of Britain. Much of the English language is as well partly Latin. As well there are some Gaelic derived words, and the other major half consisting of the anglo-saxon (Germanic)/Jut.

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    Post Re: English origins

    Quote Originally Posted by Darius
    There are also mediterranid racial types in certain areas in Britain such as Wales. The early iron age people may have also mixed with the celtic (picts). The viking invasion on the eastern coast of England and scotland may have also added to the British genetic pool.

    But we must not forget the Roman stay in Britain, which may be still present in the genetic pool of Britain. Much of the English language is as well partly Latin. As well there are some Gaelic derived words, and the other major half consisting of the anglo-saxon (Germanic)/Jut.
    I must correct some of the points that you have made. The vast majority of core everday English is primarily of Germanic stock.
    The Romans arrived in Britain 400+ years before the coming of the English and left a few decades before the English boats started to arrive. Therefore the Romans could not possibly have had ANY influence upon Old English from which modern English is derived.
    The few latin words that are contained in modern English owe their existence to Norman French, brought over in the Norman Conquest in 1066.
    I must also correct you in that English contains few words of Gaelic origin. I dont know where you derive that conclusion from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AryanKrieger
    I must correct some of the points that you have made. The vast majority of core everday English is primarily of Germanic stock.
    The Romans arrived in Britain 400+ years before the coming of the English and left a few decades before the English boats started to arrive. Therefore the Romans could not possibly have had ANY influence upon Old English from which modern English is derived.
    The few latin words that are contained in modern English owe their existence to Norman French, brought over in the Norman Conquest in 1066.
    I must also correct you in that English contains few words of Gaelic origin. I dont know where you derive that conclusion from.
    But Normans weren't Northmen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darius
    But Normans weren't Northmen?
    The Normans were especially Danish Vikings, who began to occupy the northern area of France, now known as Normandy in the latter half of the 9th century.

    The Norman people adopted Christianity and the French language and created a new cultural identity separate from that of their Scandinavian forebears and French neighbours.
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    I understand the Norman question, but the presence of mediterranid phenotypes in Britain does not annegate the fact that the Romans left their part in the British genetic pool. Though predominantly the genetic pool of brits is Germanic, we must not also forget the intermingling with the Celtic people.

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    Post Re: English origins

    Quote Originally Posted by Darius
    But Normans weren't Northmen?
    They were miscegenated Norseman who spoke Norman French after colonising what is now Normandy in France. It is they who latinised elements of the English language.

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    Post Re: English origins

    Very informativ in this respect are the settlement names:

    They show the Saxon colonization of Southern England exactly. The old settlement area of of the Saxon tribes is the starting point (Lower Saxony, Western Holstein,
    Westphalia, Eastern Netherlands). From there the Saxons migrated through Flanders and over the English Channel into Kent and Essex.

    Also some other Germanic tribes (Franks (look at -loh/-lea names)), Thuringians and Frisians) seem to participate.

    This expansion route is supported by names with the element Riede, -hude/heath, hor-, horst, -tuna/ton/tun and -mar.

    The situation in northern England and the Midlands (the old Anglian lands Northumbria, East Anglia and Mercia) is not so clear because of two reasons:

    First the Saxon language and culture became constitutive for the whole of England. Second the probable continental homelands of the Angles with centrum in Eastern Schleswig has been vacated competely (as is shown by poll analysis and as Beda states) so that today´s place names in East Schleswig mainly belong to the Viking time (PN + -by) or the Danish colonization (-trup/rup).

    The suffixes -brink and -klint which don´t exist south of the Thames and Flanders but on the Cimbrian peninsula and Northern England indicate that the Anglians migrated directy over the North Sea.

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    Addition:
    The French Normans were only a ruler cast without great genetic
    impact. More important in this respect is the Danish colonization in the Danelag (place names ending with -by and -thorpe).

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