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    Exclamation The Jewish and Moorish Ancestry of Spain and Portugal

    The genetic signatures of people in Spain and Portugal provide new and explicit evidence of the mass conversions of Sephardic Jews and Muslims to Catholicism in the 15th and 16th centuries after Christian armies wrested Spain back from Muslim control, a team of geneticists reports.

    Twenty percent of the population of the Iberian Peninsula has Sephardic Jewish ancestry and 11 percent have DNA reflecting Moorish ancestors, the geneticists have found. Historians have debated how many Jews converted and how many chose exile. “One wing grossly underestimates the number of conversions,” said Jane S. Gerber, an expert on Sephardic history at the City University of New York.

    The finding bears on two different views of Spanish history, said Jonathan S. Ray, a professor of Jewish studies at Georgetown University. One, proposed by the 20th-century historian Claudio Sánchez-Albornoz, holds that Spanish civilization is Catholic and other influences are foreign; the other sees Spain as having been enriched by drawing from all three of its historical cultures, Catholic, Jewish and Muslim.

    The study, based on an analysis of Y chromosomes, was conducted by biologists led by Mark A. Jobling of the University of Leicester in England and Francesc Calafell of the Pompeu Fabra University in Barcelona. They developed a Y chromosome signature for Sephardic men by studying Sephardic Jewish communities in places where Jews migrated after being expelled from Spain in 1492 to 1496. They also characterized the Y chromosomes of the Arab and Berber army that invaded Spain in A.D. 711 from data on people living in Morocco and Western Sahara.

    After a period of forbearance under the Arab Umayyad dynasty, Spain entered a period of religious intolerance, with its Muslim Berber dynasties forcing Christians and Jews to convert to Islam, and the victorious Christians then expelling Jews and Muslims or forcing them to convert. The new genetic study, reported online on Thursday in the American Journal of Human Genetics, indicates there was a high level of conversion among Jews.

    Because most of the Y chromosome remains unchanged from father to son, the proportions of Sephardic and Moorish ancestry detected in the present population are probably the same as those just after the 1492 expulsions. A high proportion of people with Sephardic ancestry was to be expected, Dr. Ray said. “Jews formed a very large part of the urban population up until the great conversions,” he said.

    Dr. Ray raised the question of what the DNA evidence might mean personally. “If four generations on I have no knowledge of my genetic past, how does that affect my understanding of my own religious association?”

    The issue is one that has confronted Dr. Calafell, an author of the study. His own Y chromosome may be of Sephardic ancestry — the test is not definitive for individuals — and his surname is from a town in Catalonia; Jews undergoing conversion often took surnames from place names. But he does not regard his Y chromosome as a strong link to the Sephardic heritage. Assuming no in-breeding, he would have had more than one million living ancestors in A.D. 1500. “My full ancestry is made of many different individuals, and my Y chromosome tells me just about one of them,” he said.


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    I don't know whats the point with this post, anyhow, these random studies may prove what already is likely that the areas dominated by moors, namely andalucia and parts of the levante might have a genetic makeup in accordance with these studies, its means approx 30% of these south areas has this makeup, still means 70% are of celtiiberian stock wich is Spains main racial composition.. other areas of the country can by no means have these admixtures specially, not in the countryside..

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    From the abstract:

    Most studies of European genetic diversity have focused on large-scale variation and interpretations based on events in prehistory, but migrations and invasions in historical times could also have had profound effects on the genetic landscape. The Iberian Peninsula provides a suitable region for examination of the demographic impact of such recent events, because its complex recent history has involved the long-term residence of two very different populations with distinct geographical origins and their own particular cultural and religious characteristicsNorth African Muslims and Sephardic Jews. To address this issue, we analyzed Y chromosome haplotypes, which provide the necessary phylogeographic resolution, in 1140 males from the Iberian Peninsula and Balearic Islands. Admixture analysis based on binary and Y-STR haplotypes indicates a high mean proportion of ancestry from North African (10.6%) and Sephardic Jewish (19.8%) sources. Despite alternative possible sources for lineages ascribed a Sephardic Jewish origin, these proportions attest to a high level of religious conversion (whether voluntary or enforced), driven by historical episodes of social and religious intolerance, that ultimately led to the integration of descendants. In agreement with the historical record, analysis of haplotype sharing and diversity within specific haplogroups suggests that the Sephardic Jewish component is the more ancient. The geographical distribution of North African ancestry in the peninsula does not reflect the initial colonization and subsequent withdrawal and is likely to result from later enforced population movementmore marked in some regions than in othersplus the effects of genetic drift.

    There are no 'Sephardic genes'; only genes/markers that are consistent with a particular lineage. There's no way that a precise quantification of historical admixture can be made using current methods of genetic analysis.

    The article quoted demonstrates why it's so foolish to pay heed to lay interpretations. Often the 'experts' quoted dumb down their science for media consumption. Science and the media just don't mix.

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    Wrong- Spain is a big place. please find moorish and jewish genetic markers in Asturias. look at the faces of the people also. Not only is North spain celtic but many people have genetic markers consistent with North germanic ancestry. Look for my topic in Germanic influences "Spain's first King was German"-

    Also read this=

    The moors did not reach the asturias mountains and they would have probably eaten the jews if these had tried to go there.
    2 Suebic kingdom of GallaeciaGallaecia or Callaecia was the name of an Ancient Roman province spread over a territory in the north-west of Spain (approximately the current Galicia).

    The kingdom lasted for 175 years after that, and seems to have enjoyed relatively stable government for most of that time.

    History In 409 Events The Vandals and Suebi break through Constantine III's garrsions into Spain. The Suebi settle themselves in the northwestern corner. Constantine III's general Gernontius revolts in Spain, and elevates his own candidate for Roman Emperor. Alaric lays AD, their king Hermerico established his people in territories making up the NW part of the Iberian peninsula, the Roman GallaeciaGallaecia or Callaecia was the name of an Ancient Roman province spread over a territory in the north-west of Spain (approximately the current Galicia) and the north of Portugal). The Romans gave the name Gallaecia to the northwest part of the Iberian pen. The number of the Suebic invaders is estimated in less than 30,000 people. These had been settled mainly in the zones of Braga (Bracara Augusta), Port, Lugo (Lucus Augusta) and Astorga (Asturica Augusta).

    The Suebic Kingdom eventually received official recognition (foedus) from the Romans for their settlement there in Gallaecia.It was the first kingdom separated from Roman Empire that minted coins. In 438 Suebi king Hermerico ratified the peace with the Galaicos people and, tired of fighting, abdicated in favor of his son Requila .

    In 448 Requila died leaving a state in expansion to his son Requiario who imposed his Catholic faith on the Suebi population. (anfang interjects After he died the suebi went back to being pagans but of course this in not mentioned in the article)In 456 Requiario died and some candidates for the throne appeared, grouped in two factions. A division marked for the river Minius ( Minho/ Miño) is noticed, probably a consequence of the two tribes, Quados and Marcomanos, who constituted the Suebi nation in the Iberian Peninsula.

    There were occasional clashes with the Visigoths, who arrived in Iberian Peninsula in 416 and came to dominate most of the peninsula, but the Suebi maintained their independence until 584, when the Visigothic King Leovigild invaded the Suebic kingdom and finally defeated it. Andeca , the final king of the Suebi, held out for a year before surrendering in 585. With his surrender, this branch of the Suebi vanished into the Visigothic kingdom.

    (but not their blood)


    http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Suebi

    To this day 2009 many Asturin first names are ancient germanic. passed down from father to son. because of the "celtomania" going on now, many people are giving themseves names that were never in their families and are giving their kids celtic names.
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