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    The Bulgarian tribes' involvement in joint operations with other peoples would eventually disperse a great many of those who inhabited Central Europe. Thus in 568-569 AD, when the Longobardic king Alboin conquered three big areas in northern Italy - Liguria, Lombardy and Etruria, the population that the king sent there did not consist of Longobardic tribes only, but also of Bulgarian allied tribes from Pannonia. The numerous Italian family names such as Bulgari and Bulgarini extant in northern Italy, have remained as a memento of the Bulgarians brought by Alboin and later assimilated into the Italian people.

    Other Bulgarian tribes in the Avar khanate also took part in the Avar campaigns against Byzantium. In 631-632 AD they launched fierce battles to take over the supreme power in the khanate, but were defeated and 9000 of them left Pannonia and withdrew to Bavaria under the Frankish king Dagobert. It is not known why Dagobert welcomed them but later gave orders for them to be killed overnight. The survivinq 700 families succeeded in escaping in battle, crossing the Alps and arriving in Longobardy, where many of their compatriots had already been living. At long last they were well received and offered their first accommodation in the region of Venice but after the year 668 AD they had to move to the deserted coast of Ravena, an exarchate in present-day Italian region of Campobasso. Two hundred years later an ancient writer, Paulus Diaconus, visited them and heard them speak Latin and Bulgarian. Naturally, as the years went by they had also been assimilated into the Italian people. Even today some regions in Rimini and Osimo are called 'the Bulgarian parts', 'the Bulgarian land', 'the land of the Bulgarian Baron ..

    The Bulgarians living in the plains between the Caucasus, the Black and the Caspian seas preserved intact and even increased their human, economic and military potential. Despite the vicissitudes of fate, they were predestined to found the Bulgarian state.

    Extract from the book "Bulgaria Illustrated History"
    Bojidar Dimitrov, PhD., Autor
    Vyara Kandjieva, Photographer
    Dimiter Angelov, Photographer Antoniy Handjiysky, Photographer
    Maria Nikolotva, Translator
    Published by BORIANA Publishing House, Sofia,Bulgaria

    http://www.bulgaria.com/history/bulgaria/bulg.html

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    Post Re: Mongoloid admixture in Italians

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    I conclude that the Bulgarian descents still remain in Lombardy
    Last edited by Euclides; Monday, May 10th, 2004 at 08:27 PM.

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    Post Re: Mongoloid admixture in Italians

    There´s another site about this intereting topic (in Italian and Magyar) :

    http://ziezi.tripod.com/amico/amico.htm

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    Post Re: Mongoloid admixture in Italians

    Quote Originally Posted by Euclides
    There´s another site about this intereting topic (in Italian and Magyar) :

    http://ziezi.tripod.com/amico/amico.htm
    Thank's for this great post. A very interesting information for people like me who can read Italian.

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    Post Re: Mongoloid admixture in Italians

    Your reasoning seems to me a bit too schematic. What about people whose surname is "Danesi" or "Tedeschi"?They are all of danish or german origin? It's more probable their ancestors were related to something from Denmark (butter cookies for instance) or Germany.
    Anyway, this is a pic of Giacomo Bulgarelli, ex-soccer player who doesn't look so mongoloid despite the 'bulgar' etymological root in his name


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    Post Re: Mongoloid admixture in Italians

    I've heard people mention almond eyes as an "Italian" characteristic - though not a typical one. This could be from a Turkish source, or maybe even Etruscan - ever see Etruscan statuary (or Ionian, for that matter?).

    I always thought names like Bruneleschi sounded Slavic in origin.
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    It's interesting but i fail to see the link between the Bulgars and the italian family surname "Bulgari".
    There's a medieval-latin word, "bulgarinus" that was used in Italy for indicating indifferently every Balcaninc populations.

    There is not a bigger concentration of people with almond eyes in Lombardy indeed.
    That trait appears occasionally in every region of Italy and i guess in every part of Europe.

    "E tutti si scandalizzano quando sentono dire: quel tale tipo di mammifero o di uccello ormai è sparito dalla faccia della terra, non lo vedremo più; è una grave perdita. Certo, si tratta di gravissime perdite.
    Ma non sarebbe forse più grave se sparisse una comunità umana?? --Bruno Salvadori

    Seven pictures of northern European males and seven pictures of northern African males were presented randomly via a computer screen to 82 Italian female undergraduates of the University of Padua, Italy.
    Each picture depicted a full frontal face with a neutral facial expression. Participants were asked to classify each picture as either northern Italian or southern Italian.
    On average, the seven pictures depicting northern Europeans were classified as northern Italians 81% of the time. The seven pictures depicting northern Africans were classified as southern Italians 83%
    of the time.



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    This thread is a load of garbage. In another forum there was this Slav trying to claim that the North Italian from lombardy had more mongoloid admixture than Russians. What a laugh! If there is a place in Europe where all manner of races met and interbreed it is in Russia. Tatars, Avars, Mongols, Samoyeds.....all have made Russia home and contributed to their genepool. Another tack used was that the Langobards were not Germanic but Germanised Avars. The Avar Khanate never had control of Italy. The Khanate controlled Russia down towards Central Europe. Euclides, nice try, but go back to your mongolised homeland to look for mongolian admixture. Since the Volgars or Bolgars from Russia, whatever, immigrated to the Balkans would it not be logical to look for mongolian admixture there in Bulgaria and other nearby Balkan coutries and in Russia than in the southwest Mediterranean.

    Almond eyes are not mongolian. Personally I consider almond eyes as a deformity, but that is my taste. I would say that almond eyes are an East Mediterranid trait and was probably spread around by the Greeks during their colonising period.

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    Post Re: Mongoloid admixture in Italians

    Quote Originally Posted by Graeme
    This thread is a load of garbage. In another forum there was this Slav trying to claim that the North Italian from lombardy had more mongoloid admixture than Russians. What a laugh! If there is a place in Europe where all manner of races met and interbreed it is in Russia. Tatars, Avars, Mongols, Samoyeds.....all have made Russia home and contributed to their genepool. Another tack used was that the Langobards were not Germanic but Germanised Avars. The Avar Khanate never had control of Italy. The Khanate controlled Russia down towards Central Europe. Euclides, nice try, but go back to your mongolised homeland to look for mongolian admixture. Since the Volgars or Bolgars from Russia, whatever, immigrated to the Balkans would it not be logical to look for mongolian admixture there in Bulgaria and other nearby Balkan coutries and in Russia than in the southwest Mediterranean.

    Almond eyes are not mongolian. Personally I consider almond eyes as a deformity, but that is my taste. I would say that almond eyes are an East Mediterranid trait and was probably spread around by the Greeks during their colonising period.



    Garbage can be recicled...because this I don´t care with your ''offensive'' words ..I am thinking that you are confunding me with another person , but anyway thank you for your opinion.

    Mongoloid and Uralic admixture are found in many places of Europe ... Italy, Germany, Greece, Poland , Hungary , Russia, Norway, Portugal (!), etc...in some places it´s more visible, in others less.


    Can you post a picture as exemple of ''Almond eyes'' ?

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    Post Re: Mongoloid admixture in Italians

    Anthropological and cultural features of a skeletal sample of horsemen from the medieval necropolis of Vicenne-Campochiaro (Molise, Italy).

    Belcastro MG, Facchini F.

    Department of Evolutionary Biology-Anthropology, University of Bologna, Italy.

    In the medieval necropolis of Vicenne (Italy) among 130 skeletons, thirteen horsemen, recognized on the basis of the contextual burials with horse, have been found. This rite, rarely found in Europe, recalls an Asian rite, attested from the Iron Age to the Age of Migration in nomadic Asian populations. Local and Germanic goods were also found. In order to study the anthropological composition of this population, some morphometrical skeletal features have been analyzed. Heterogeneity both in the horsemen and in the other males of the necropolis has been observed. Besides the multicultural context testified by archaeological data, a multiethnic society seems to emerge by the anthropological analysis. In these Italian territories, involved by migrations, Asian and Germanic population probably crossed with the local ones.

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