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    The original meaning of Asur was basically astrology or sky. It is still found preserved in the thousands of year old Vedas in india which are closer to the old Aryan language and traditions than anything preserved in Europe. The Aesir are gods of the heavens i.e. astrological forces. These forces effect man and are still practiced in the occult today (mostly via Jewish Kabbalic sources- much of Jewish wisdom was stolen from the library of Alexandria in Egypt and then credited to the Jewish king solomon). The most prominent solar diety being the sun. Maybe in modern Dutch that has just changed some. That's not the origin of the word though.

    The original Aryan homeland was around modern day Ukraine. It would be considered Asia to the ancients (around the black sea). Though I have seen sources coming out saying the homeland was in the middle east but they don't put forth a good argument and I think it has an anti-racist agenda (look up PIE origins). People have disagreed with me on this, and they aren't the same word but I think they are related: the word Aryan relates to the Asa and even Asia. The Aryans were called "the serpent kings" and "the sky people" also "the shining ones" (even in modern lore the Elves are referred to in the same way- the light elves are Aryan/Nordic ancestors) they alone held a sky god as the most high and we know this for a fact. Before the Aryans the "Venus" figures still found in places like Germany and the middle east were held as most high. The Aryan religion evolved into Egyptian religion and ultimately judeo-Christian religion in a corrupted form but also existed with the Greeks, Germans, Romans, Hindus etc. This sky god was later split into several astrological dieties named for the 7 primary planets visible to the human eye. These 7 gods became our seven days of the week. Sun-day, Moon-day, Tir (mars), wodan (mercury), Thor (jupiter), Frej/Freja (Venus also morning star/evening star, also known as ishtar to the ancients), Saturn (hella in Germanic). They relate to the cycles of the heavens and astrology.

    About Assyria that is an interesting observation. However the Aryans left their legacy all over the place. Ireland was originally called the land of Eir (pronounced "air"). Iran, Iraq, also come from "Aryan". The ancient word "Albos" meaning white also is found in many areas. The Alp mountains. Albion was the original name of Britain. The alben (or elves) were our white ancestors.

    So just because Assyria takes such neames doesn't mean it was the original homeland or the origin of the gods. The Aryan culture was the dominant culture of the ancient word. Sort of like English now or Rome during the Roman era.

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    rainman: The original meaning of Asur was basically astrology or sky. It is still found preserved in the thousands of year old Vedas in india which are closer to the old Aryan language and traditions than anything preserved in Europe. The Aesir are gods of the heavens i.e. astrological forces. These forces effect man and are still practiced in the occult today (mostly via Jewish Kabbalic sources- much of Jewish wisdom was stolen from the library of Alexandria in Egypt and then credited to the Jewish king solomon).

    Ashera: you do not go far back enough. Stars don*t feed hungry semi-apes.

    rainman: The most prominent solar diety being the sun.

    Ashera: Common place.

    rainman: Maybe in modern Dutch that has just changed some. That's not the origin of the word though.

    Ashera: How do you know that? Any references? Or is my hypothesis not noble enough? Too pragmatic perhaps?
    Btw.: "Duits" means "German". Etymologically the term Aas is very, very old.

    rainman: The original Aryan homeland was around modern day Ukraine.

    Ashera: To me the whole Caucasian/Ukranian classification is an American myth.

    rainman: the word Aryan relates to the Asa and even Asia. The Aryans were called "the serpent kings" and "the sky people" also "the shining ones" (even in modern lore the Elves are referred to in the same way- the light elves are Aryan/Nordic ancestors) they alone held a sky god as the most high and we know this for a fact.

    Ashera: this is very much later... (if we did not fall from the sky, perhaps? to proselytize the semi-apes?)

    rainman: Before the Aryans the "Venus" figures still found in places like Germany and the middle east were held as most high. The Aryan religion evolved into Egyptian religion and ultimately judeo-Christian religion in a corrupted form but also existed with the Greeks, Germans, Romans, Hindus etc.

    Ashera: No. There is hardly anything "Aryan" with Greeks and Romans.

    rainman: This sky god was later split into several astrological dieties named for the 7 primary planets visible to the human eye. These 7 gods became our seven days of the week. Sun-day, Moon-day, Tir (mars), wodan (mercury), Thor (jupiter), Frej/Freja (Venus also morning star/evening star, also known as ishtar to the ancients), Saturn (hella in Germanic). They relate to the cycles of the heavens and astrology.

    Ashera: Nothing also known. Your equalizations are the error. And: why sky god?

    rainman: About Assyria that is an interesting observation. However the Aryans left their legacy all over the place. Ireland was originally called the land of Eir (pronounced "air"). Iran, Iraq, also come from "Aryan". The ancient word "Albos" meaning white also is found in many areas. The Alp mountains. Albion was the original name of Britain. The alben (or elves) were our white ancestors.

    Ashera: Why ancestors? Don*t they exist anymore? Or are they without rights today?

    rainman: So just because Assyria takes such neames doesn't mean it was the original homeland or the origin of the gods. The Aryan culture was the dominant culture of the ancient word. Sort of like English now or Rome during the Roman era.

    Ashera: I do not think so. The concept of dominance was not of Aryan thinking I guess. In my opinion Rome was no culture, it was a civilization. And, do not mix up an international language use with cultural influence.

    Ashera

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    You have to read up on PIE history. Why sky god? well because that's what our records show to be true, but also because astrology was very important to the ancients.

    The ancient Aryans were not semi-apes. They created a new culture as an evolution out of an older Caucasion race. Unless you believe the Aryans are from outer space or thule or something. At any rate they weren't semi-apes. Astrology did feed them because they knew when to plant their crops or harvest them because of astrology. When they traveled they kept direction by the stars as well. And their magick was also based on the stars.

    The Aryan homeland is deduced from evidence. We can't say for 100% but all the evidence seems to point there. I also don't understand why you don't consider Greek or Roman culture to be Aryan. Roman language, beliefs, customs, laws etc. come from a common Aryan root regardless of what your opinion is of them lacking culture. For example the Roman Zeus comes from the dyaus pater of the Indian Vedas which also is where Thor came from. The thunder god yielding a spear in all three system. Later in the North the hammer replaced the spear to some degree.

    From records the Aryans were a warrior society.

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    rainman: Why sky god? well because that's what our records show to be true, but also because astrology was very important to the ancients.

    Ashera: Whose records? The Roman*s?

    rainman: The ancient Aryans were not semi-apes. They created a new culture as an evolution out of an older Caucasion race.

    Ashera: You should read more carefully.
    Creation is by no means evolution. And why are you Americans so fixed on Caucasus?

    rainman: Unless you believe the Aryans are from outer space or thule or something. At any rate they weren't semi-apes. Astrology did feed them because they knew when to plant their crops or harvest them because of astrology. When they traveled they kept direction by the stars as well. And their magick was also based on the stars.

    Ashera: I do not care whether we are from outer space or not. And, again: I nowhere wrote that Aryans were semi-apes.

    rainman: The Aryan homeland is deduced from evidence.

    Ashera: Deduction of living systems is not possible.

    rainman: I also don't understand why you don't consider Greek or Roman culture to be Aryan. Roman language, beliefs, customs, laws etc. come from a common Aryan root regardless of what your opinion is of them lacking culture. For example the Roman Zeus comes from the dyaus pater of the Indian Vedas which also is where Thor came from. The thunder god yielding a spear in all three system. Later in the North the hammer replaced the spear to some degree.

    Ashera: I know that you do not understand.

    rainman: From records the Aryans were a warrior society.

    Ashera: Who wrote the records?

    Ashera

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    It is shocking to me that people think things like this:

    "Ansu means spirit in proto indo german.
    this means that the Aesir were pie.".

    That and subsequent equivocations are at the very best, hair-thin extrapolations.

    PIE is useful to study in the sense that pre-human hominid dna is useful to study, but other 'off-spring' from PIE is no More Germanic or 'Aesic' than neanderthals were human.

    imho of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashera View Post
    Not off topic, forkbeard.

    Aas meant life, and life meant "breath", this is: Atem, Odem, Atman, Odin, Atum etc.
    Possibly "As" and "Odin" are the most ancient concept of a "god" at all.


    Ansu = spirit
    ansuz - god
    anda = gothic spirit
    ahura = god
    aesir = god
    (ond = breath not god. breath is life of an living being)


    You have the dichotomy of spirit and physis.
    Spirit is god and physis is material being.
    Thus:
    God (spirit) verses Giant (Jotun/Etin) which are natural elements without spirit. The Ansu gave spirit and created godthjod or gods in space and time from Ymir/Purusha, the first Godlike being In space - time. Before this was just physis or material w/o Sentience becoming w/o conscious being. Conscious being is spirit and spirit is God. Thus, the most conscious beings are generally the most godlike. Thus, Odin called his priests Godi/ar. Gods in space time. They were the smartest, most transcendent animals. Rig incarnated begot godar from animals. In gesta danorum it states that first there were 2 socerers as he calls them Jotuns and Spirits. The former had strength and size, the latter intelligence. The latter Ansu won and there was bred a cross breed between Jotun/ape and Ansu - this is Rigsthula where Rig/king begot through eugenic breeding a godar aett which was like him, looked like him, knew the runes and could do magic. Thus, this is the God aett which ond, la, litr and od. The ansu aett.

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    Where is the seperation of concept of a living physical god from a non-physical god? As far as I'm concerned god is an incorrect modern word as it applies to something living- like a human. Whereas spirit or psychic force even ghost would better describe what we think of god as today.

    Conciousness and self awareness is supposed to exist in a non human being. Or is it?

    I took "God" to mean the unity of the breath and physical form but the breath itself is not "God". The same way astrological energies like sun light at its most basic illuminates and gives life to the earth and creates "gods" but is not god itself. The only "God" would be a trancendant living human being. Even here since an individual lacks perfection- it can only exist as the folk. Not just any folk but those who have higher learning, can shape the world around them, and have self awareness (especially of the connectedness of all things) thus the reason the preists are goths and the goal of the nazis to mold an etire folk of gods.

    I can't help but feel that airmaneriks post starts to lead back to a view of gods as psychic forces- thought forms, aspects of conciousness.

    The beauty and power of the sea wedded with the human mind gives birth to posiedan. The human mind awakened with knowledge gives birth to wodan etc. A thought is not brought to actualization without the physical. Electricity cannot manifest in this world without a physical conduit no more than the gods can act. Thus the gods are something that live through us and within us more than outside us as independent living beings. It would be like light (spirit) and matter (body/food) comibining to cause a forest or plant to turn green and grow. From what I understand this is why we have the symbology of transubstantiation- that is eating the flesh and blood of the gods. Found not just in Christian myth but dating back to Aryan origins- the mead of the norse, the ambrosia (literally coming from brotos= blood), the soma (body?) of the Vedas etc. You are eating the flesh of the gods because their flesh is your own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Airmanareiks View Post
    Ansu = spirit
    ansuz - god
    anda = gothic spirit
    ahura = god
    aesir = god
    (ond = breath not god. breath is life of an living being)
    Differentiations are always possible with a full stomach and a settled life style. But, if you do not breath, there is no god. And to breath means to eat.


    You have the dichotomy of spirit and physis.
    This is luxurious thinking. (stomach well filled).

    Spirit is god and physis is material being.
    See above.

    Ashera

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainman View Post
    gods as psychic forces- thought forms, aspects of conciousness.
    A thought is not brought to actualization without the physical. Electricity cannot manifest in this world without a physical conduit no more than the gods can act.
    The first question to define.
    What is God?
    This is the realm of philosophers.
    (personally I do not include "breath" or ond as a necessity)

    1)
    God is being.
    What is being.
    That which exists.
    therefore: all that exists is God

    Not very definative or Austure. This is total pan theisism. Everything in the verolds (actually ver-old comes from ver - man (pie) - the heim of man is god.

    Something further is really needed.
    We need a high ideal.
    God is being and thought.
    A real being thinks.
    The higher the being, the better thought capabilities it has.
    But this includes all animals in all the verolds.

    God is the highest thought, the most intellient. But what is thought? An electrical impluse or wave. Thought is waves of energy.
    Nice goal.

    Then you may say:
    God is creative.
    Everything in the verold is, is being, but it becomes. It arises, is and passes away. The highest beings create higher beings. This is eugenic or positive evolution.

    This is existential truth

    Religion is about truth, being true.
    Thus, that which is posited must be true.


    A relilgon may say God is perfect, all mind, the highest intelliegence, etc......
    But IS THIS REALITY. Such view must mirror reality. The Christian god does not exist.


    What is reality?
    Life is energy. Mass is energy. Life is energy in waves moving in space and time. The postion for God is thus this wave movement is thought and this thought is God. God is thus immanent and pervades the universe.
    The verold is thus sentient mind/energy God, cognitive of becoming beings. Every sentient being is a god, but non sentient entitites are not Gods.

    This is a heirarchy of being.

    Evoltution from unsentient matter to sentient beings to the highest beings of perfect form, thought. The highest power, with rede hugsa or God righteous acts (Buddha stole idea of the 7 fold path right views, right actions (right means rita or Rede from Arya brahmans and posited his own solution)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashera View Post
    The original Aryan homeland was around modern day Ukraine.

    Ashera: To me the whole Caucasian/Ukranian classification is an American myth.
    Marija Gimbutas (Lithuanian: Marija Gimbutienė) (Vilnius, January 23, 1921 – Los Angeles, United States February 2, 1994), was a Lithuanian-American archeologist known for her research into the Neolithic and Bronze Age cultures of "Old Europe", a term she introduced. Her works, published between 1946 and 1971, introduced new views by combining traditional spadework with linguistics and mythological interpretation, but earned a mixed reception by other professionals.

    I find it hard to believe that our ancestors created their gods as pure ghosts.
    The ancient world is full of stories of the gods interaction with their people.
    It may sound like science fiction but I believe the gods did interact with us on a physical as well as mental basis.

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