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    Will Nationalsocialism Ever Rise Again?

    While nationalsocialism is illegal in some Germanic countries (Germany, Austria), it's not in others (USA, Sweden) and there are nationalsocialist parties and movements operating there. Do you think there's a chance for a nationalsocialist regime to come to power in one of these countries? Do you see parties like the American Nazi Party or the National Socialist Movement winning any elections? Please comment.

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    Of course, but not under this name, and not through a system conform democratic party.
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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    No. The people who support such parties are overwhelmingly at the bottom of society thus lack the ability to run any successful campaign. Two the majority of the nation does not support it. To even begin to put these ideas into play you would first have to secure extreme wealth for your group, two take control of large segments of the media and education system, and only then after maybe 50 years of that hope to get your toe into open elections. Though in the most immediate way they can disguise themselves as republicans or democrats and win office like everyone else does- by telling people what they want to hear to get elected and doing whatever you want once you win. Though from what I can tell I don't see very many competent national socialists.

    You also have to analayze and adjust fundamental flaws in the old ideology and bring it into a modern progression that will be more successful. I don't think the policy could ever work in the United States for example. The U.S is an empire. What do you do with the majority of the population which does not conform? The most rational model would be invisible empire within the United States like the kkk is supposedly but something run a little better and with a more positive message. The other model would be the Israel model of a small "white nation". A large nation or empire with many diverse residents- wont work. National Socialists can barely organize themselves into a social club without falling apart in ten years or getting into some trouble with the law. I doubt they can realistically have any aspirations to power.

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    Only in non-European, non-Germanic nations. Israel, e.g., has the closest thing to a national socialist state (ironically).

    If any European (or colonial) state attempted to establish a similar regime, it would be automatically attacked by the UN, NATO, etc, on the grounds of being racist and totalitarian. If non-Europeans do it, it's outside the standards of "Western Democracy" and nobody cares

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    I don't know about that. Lets see Islam is being invaded and attempted to be replaced with multicultural democracy. Natives in the America's likewise multiculturalized e.g. Brazil etc. Some pressure on Asia but they resist and the west is too afraid of them or needs their labor too much to press to hard on that. If we had enough wealthy and competent people a white nation would be possible.

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    Ha. That is very true about Israel. And so very sad.

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    National Socialism in America? Here's Three questions.

    1. What is your definition of NS?

    2. Is it possible to be a NS nation and not
    resemble the third Reich?

    3. In what ways would NS policy evolve in a post war
    world?

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    I know the questions were not directly aimed at me, but I will specify some thoughts thereupon nonetheless.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vindefense View Post
    1. What is your definition of NS?
    That is entirely a matter of debate. For some people, NS is to be defined as the historical movement as we know it and how it was practiced, infallibly. For some others, NS also includes other strands and thoughts within the larger movement (such as f.ex. Strasserism). For yet others, NS needs to be progressive and tackle the questions of the time, in dynamic evolution.

    I tend to see it as one possible worldly expression of the folk spirit, which must thus grow organically without forgetting about its roots: Its inherent and central philosophical principles to me are unmoveable, whilst the policy, structure and application is dynamically adjustable.

    In short, nostalgia is good - anachronism isn't. NS, if it wishes to succeed again must accept this truth too and find an organic and applicable mixture between tradition and progress.

    2. Is it possible to be a NS nation and not
    resemble the third Reich?
    It most certainly is possible, in my book. I see NS as a philosophy, a weltanschauung, a possible all-encompassing expression of Folkish Thought (there may be others - it is impossible to say at this time which is the most organic).

    NS is at large a philosophy and not a state form. Some of its most central ideas, such as the "Führer Principle" predilect and predestine it towards certain state forms rather than others, but at large it is not bound to any state form in particular, I would think.

    I see it entirely possible that the fundamental framework of NS could be re-established whilst mending and altering the system at those little points where it was more vulnerable than it should have been.

    3. In what ways would NS policy evolve in a post war
    world?
    Why would there be a need to ask this question in the first place. NS is a philosophy which intends to be positive and fundamental, rather than reactionary and negative. Its eventual historical failure was not to its supposed inapplicability in a peaceful environment, it was due to its lessened applicability in a warlike environment.

    Like any other complete Weltanschauung, it would essentially favour peace and prosperity over war and destruction: It is intended to build the folk beyond all. Creative energy, that is.

    As such, your question needs not be answered. It would not see war as ultimately contemptible, but would perhaps only resort to military means as an ultima ratio.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    National Socialism as a philosophy does not require a furor. It only states that a single leader should be in place rather than a council, senate etc. This leader takes complete responsibility. Underneath him are people in charge of specific regions or departments who also take complete responsibility. Then you have the idea that quality is better than quantity. That is the dead weight of the masses should not make decisions. This can be applied in a variety of ways without a furor. I would support a nation that allows people to vote, but requires minimal education, intelligence, and certain paricipation in the political process (like attend a debate, town hall meeting etc.). Similar to third reich ideas. Then you could simply have a normal president or something who isn't worshipped like a god or anything. Not really a furor.

    Of course theoretically under NS if a leader fails the public has a right to behead him. But I don't know how this can be done to someone with absolute power. Should be someway to balance that and hold the leader responsible thusly. I would think for example once you make the voting process more competent- then you can begin holding politicians responsible for when they lie. They should be arrested for purjury in the least, possibly treason for lying to voters about future policies or anything else. So I think the Judicial branch should be independent of the federal branch in this case for precisely that reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainman View Post
    National Socialism as a philosophy does not require a furor. It only states that a single leader should be in place rather than a council, senate etc.
    I recommend A. Rosenberg - Der Mythus des 20. Jahrhunderts, it refutes your dillitantic claim.

    Quote Originally Posted by rainman View Post
    Of course theoretically under NS if a leader fails the public has a right to behead him. But I don't know how this can be done to someone with absolute power.
    With a modern invention, a gun.
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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