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    US group re-creates Nazi death camp orchestra

    By VERENA DOBNIK, The Associated Press

    NEW YORK - When Gustav Mahler's niece greeted new arrivals at a Nazi death camp, she knew that any woman who stepped off the train with a musical instrument had a chance to live. Women in Alma Rose's orchestra were forced to entertain SS officers at the Birkenau concentration camp. All the women survived , except Rose.

    Now, an American chorus and orchestra is paying tribute to those musicians with concerts in the U.S. and Germany titled "Music in Desperate Times: Remembering The Women's Orchestra of Birkenau." On Saturday, Ars Choralis will play at Manhattan's Cathedral Church of St. John the Divine, whose Episcopal bishop had spoken against the persecution of Jews in Europe already in 1933.
    During the 18 months the Birkenau orchestra existed, its musicians played pieces the German officers loved , Beethoven symphonies, Puccini arias, Chopin and Strauss waltzes. The women also had to play marches for emaciated, often sick prisoners as they struggled to walk to their forced labor jobs.

    All around was death , people perishing outdoors, or in filthy barracks and gas chambers. More than 1 million disappeared in this place of horror. When the Vienna-born Rose (pronounced roh-ZAY') was sent to the camp, the SS guards realized she was Mahler's relative and had conducted an all-women's orchestra. She was asked to form one at Birkenau, for the pleasure of the Nazis. "As the women came off transport trains, if they had a guitar, a violin, a recorder or a mandolin, they were put aside," said Alice Radosh, who helped organize the Ars Choralis concerts. "People would hear classical music , and think, 'How bad could this be?'"

    The truth was, "we played with tears in our eyes and guns at our backs," Radosh quoted accordion player Esther Bejarano as saying after the war. They were still expected to play well , or face possible death. "At Birkenau, music was indeed the best and worst of things," wrote the late Fania Fenelon, a cabaret singer from Paris who wrote the book "Playing for Time," which was turned into a television movie starring Vanessa Redgrave.

    "The best because it filled in time and brought us oblivion, like a drug; we emerged from it deadened, exhausted," Fenelon said, "and the worst because our public consisted of the assassins and the victims, and in the hand of the assassins, it was almost as though we too were made executioners."

    With the orchestra, Rose saved more than 50 women, including Fenelon, who died in 1983; three are still alive. Exactly what killed the great composer's niece remains a mystery. A document signed by Josef Mengele on April 4, 1944, shows that the Nazi SS physician who performed experiments on prisoners was summoned to a special private room where Rose lay, slipping in and out of consciousness from an undiagnosed illness. Mengele signed a form requesting medical tests for meningitis and pneumonia that came out negative.

    Rose died the next day, her arms twisted in seizures. She was respectfully laid out atop a white cloth, with floral tributes sent by SS officers, according to Fenelon's book. Mourners filing by included her musicians and the orchestra's protector, Maria Mandel, the camp's sadistic chief of female wardens. Mandel was a fan of classical music and of the 37-year-old conductor, whom she mourned openly, according to the 2000 biography "Alma Rose, Vienna to Auschwitz" by Richard Newman.

    In October 1944, the Jewish women in the orchestra were evacuated by cattle car to the Bergen-Belsen camp in Germany where Anne Frank died, according to Newman's book. The non-Jews were sent from Birkenau to neighboring Auschwitz. Although there was no chorus at Birkenau, the 48-voice Ars Choralis serves as a kind of "Greek chorus," commenting on the human tragedy six decades ago at the death camp in Poland.

    At Birkenau, the musicians performed in lavender scarves and white blouses, as do members of the Ars Choralis ensemble. Ars Choralis includes the usual violin, cello, flute and percussion, plus mandolin, accordion and recorder. The upcoming program will combine music of Beethoven, Mendelssohn and Puccini with words read from the wartime musicians' memoirs, as well as the "Song of Faith," a Yiddish piece sung in camps, Gyorgy Ligeti's "Solitude," and Ben Steinberg's "Shalom Rav," a peace prayer.

    "This is amazingly uplifting music," Radosh said. The not-for-profit Ars Choralis is itself a story, of how a small town in upstate New York , Woodstock , recruited singers representing a cross-section of the community, from teachers and nurses to gardeners and contractors. The orchestra and soloists are hired professionals. The Birkenau story "reaches into the heart of the listener and opens it to human suffering, but also inspires somebody to do something about it, to respond and change things," said Brbara Pickhardt, Ars Choralis' founder and music director.

    Ars Choralis will travel to Berlin for an April 17 concert at the city's Heilig Kreuz Kirche, an ecumenical Protestant church that had been damaged by Allied bombs. The group will also perform on April 18 and 19 for the annual liberation day ceremonies at Ravensbrueck, an all-women's camp near Berlin. The printed program for the concerts includes the words of Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel as he accepted the Nobel Peace Prize in 1986, saying that "the world did know and remained silent. And that is why I swore never to be silent, whenever, wherever human beings endure suffering and humiliation."


    On the Net: http://www.arschoralis.org
    Orchestra in Birkenau, Flowers from SS-men?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Horagalles View Post
    Orchestra in Birkenau, Flowers from SS-men?

    And the eternal propaganda machine rolls on.....

    By the way, did not the French exterminate 2 million Algerians 15 years *after* WKII? Didnt the Americans Kill 2 million Vietnamese? Russia 7 million Ukrainians through starvation and deportation? Where are these peoples' "International Sympathy Orchestras" ? -

    Before we get the "Birkenau Memorial Orchestra" we got the *Orchestrated manouvers* of the media and the jewish "foundations".
    "Wenn vor uns ein feindliches Heer dann erscheint, Wird Vollgas gegeben Und ran an den Feind!
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    Forced to entertain SS men? That rings a bell. Wasn't there a story about some dwarfs from a circus who also survived be cause they were forced to make performances for the entertainment of the camp guards?

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    Exactly what killed the great composer's niece remains a mystery. A document signed by Josef Mengele on April 4, 1944, shows that the Nazi SS physician who performed experiments on prisoners was summoned to a special private room where Rose lay, slipping in and out of consciousness from an undiagnosed illness. Mengele signed a form requesting medical tests for meningitis and pneumonia that came out negative.
    Does the general public not see the inconsistencies in reading stories (which is exactly what they are) like these? One minute we are told that new inmates line up men to the left for work and women and children to the right for extermination and then we see stories like this where the infamous Josef Mengele requests medical tests to treat a prisoner.

    Ann Frank's father also spent time in the camp hospital when he was treated successfully for typhoid. That's some extermination program! There are more holes in the holocaust than in Swiss Cheese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florian Geyer View Post
    Does the general public not see the inconsistencies in reading stories (which is exactly what they are) like these? One minute we are told that new inmates line up men to the left for work and women and children to the right for extermination and then we see stories like this where the infamous Josef Mengele requests medical tests to treat a prisoner.

    Ann Frank's father also spent time in the camp hospital when he was treated successfully for typhoid. That's some extermination program! There are more holes in the holocaust than in Swiss Cheese.
    I agree, but at the same time there's irrefutable evidence it took place. It might have been exaggerated, perhaps, but happened.
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    I thought I already posted this somewhere else. I looked into this deeply. From what I can tell the Jews were mainly sent to camps and exported to the East for labor and resettlement. A few important Jews remained in upscale walled in cities around Germany. This was just a recreation of the old medieval practice of seperation (the original ghettos). Allies destroyed the German food supply. Caused starvation. Disease spread because of bad conditions caused by war shortages. Sick and diseased Jews were sometimes killed to be put out of their misery. There was mass death and mass graves. The Nazis attempted to feed the children and starve the old in order to save the Jewish folk even. I have watched holohoax videos found in the library that have given me this information. They contradict themselves.

    I'm not joking. In the one video I watched at the start it talked about this death camp that had "no survivors" then it interviewed survivors from there later in the movie. Then it said that all the people sent to the camp were marked to be killed then later said the Nazis starved the old and fed the young to save the Jewish folk and showed a document that had this in it. Then it showed International Red Cross footage of well fed happy Jews with nice clothes on it and they interviewed the Jews and the Jews said they were being treated great. The video claimed that the Nazi carefully orchestrated this "play" and that the fat well fed Jews really hadn't eaten in months and were just fed as a show when the cameras were on. Yet how is that possible? How can you fatten up a starving person in one day? Just in one video there are more contradictions than the Bible.

    Then I saw an anti-holocaust movie that showed irrefutable evidence that you can look up in the library of congress. They contacte universities and put an ad in the paper for anyone to refute the evidence. No one came forth. It too showed contradictions in the nuremberg trials etc. all carefully documented and easily exposed.

    A mass grave in a war zone proves nothing! Just proves its a war zone. Rounding people up and putting them in camps- the US did the same thing with the Japs in WWII. Come on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by triedandtru View Post
    I agree, but at the same time there's irrefutable evidence it took place. It might have been exaggerated, perhaps, but happened.
    If there really existed "irrefutable evidence" I would have come across it by now. So would have the many smart and educated holocaust revisionists out there, of whom many went to prison for a very long time because of their passion for truth. Can you believe that holocaust revisionists would submit to all the persecution and hardship if they didn't honestly believe in what they are saying? I can't!

    A great weakness of our people is that we are so mistrustful to the intentions of our own people defending us, and so credulous to the charges of our enemies, particularly when launched with chutzpah. Sadly, I also believed myself sheepishly in the "Holocaust" for many years, even though I could never say that I was certain of the veracity of the claims.

    It took a Jew to finally convince me otherwise. In my case it was the short essay "The Holocaust Wars" by the anti-Zionist Jew Paul Eisen, that caused me to give credence at last to those who suffer persecution for their convictions, instead of those who persecute them.

    Heinrich von Brentano once said: "We Germans should learn to bear the truth even if it is favorable to us". I can't think of anything more important that we should pay heed to his reminder for than the Holocaust libel.

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    I saw a movie ("The Grey Zone" it's called) where they made a performance of such an orchestra. They tried to make it look creepier of course (they were singing as the Jews were walking straight to the gas chambers).

    Grey Zone Orchestra Scene


    And of course there are many inconsistencies. But then stories about vaccinations and medical treatment. What's the point of treating people they're going to send to the gas chamber or fry in crematoria anyway.

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    For years and years we all heard the story of the Jewish soap. Even pro NS people believed the story. Now we find out there was never any soap made from Jew's fat. =

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap_made_from_human_corpses

    The source for this rebuttal? Jewish "Holocaust Scholars".

    Quote Originally Posted by triedandtru View Post
    I agree, but at the same time there's irrefutable evidence it took place. It might have been exaggerated, perhaps, but happened.
    Here is the Difference;

    If it was 6 million plus then it is off the Charts head and shoulders above anything the "west" had done lately. But if it was 2 million, it hovers with the french killings of the Algerians ,the Turks killing of the Armenians and the Americans, Russians and Brits killing of about a million German soldiers in camps after the war. Yes Dwight D Eisenhower (a Volksdeutscher verater) Ordered German service men to be mistreated and underfed in US prison camps and the Russians did worse. In one day alone hundreds of thousands of civilians in Dresden were murdered by allied terro rbombings. What is the difference between killing people slowly in camps or wiping them out in one day by 1100 planes dropping bombs on women and kids???

    I only found out Eisenhower's crimes relatively recently.


    If we are looking at 2 million instead of 6 million, then it is on par with what everyone else did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by triedandtru View Post
    I agree, but at the same time there's irrefutable evidence it took place.
    Such as?
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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