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    Should All Germanic Countries Adopt Nordic Cross Flags?

    Some people here said Germanics should have a common flag or new flags should be designed for some countries. What about having similar flags, with the same symbol but each with specific national colors? Nordic cross flags have been proposed for many Germanic countries and regions, sometimes they were used for some time.

    Besides the well-known Scandinavian flags, here are other Nordic cross flags

    Reconstruction of the flag of the Kalmar Union (Denmark, Norway and Sweden)



    Flag of Shetland, Scotland



    Flag of Orkney, Scotland



    Proposed flag for the Highlands, Scotland



    Proposal for flag of Greenland



    Proposed national flags of Germany





    Other former German flags





    Flag proposal for Northern England.



    Unofficial flag of Swedish-speaking Finns



    Unofficial flag of Frisia



    Unofficial flag of Normandy, France



    The so-called "Vinland flag"


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    Can someone fill me in on the true origin of the white dragon flag? Doesn't it derive from some dream that someone had about the English fighting the Welsh, and that before then the Welsh had often represented themselves with a dragon?

    Was there a flag for any of the Angles, Saxons, or Jutes before this one came about? Also, I don't want to some like a scandophile or something similar, but I do think the Northern English flag looks pretty cool. It's like the reverse of the Danish flag, which would make sense considering the supposed Viking element found especially in the north of England (Although I guess I'm not very wont to love the idea of a Christian symbol representing what I perceive as a pre-Christian people).

    Edit: I should mention I am pretty happy with the already-there flags of England and Britain I just kind of had an interest in that dragon flag. Also I don't know if I really would care about a pan-germanic flag either.

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    Discounting the idea that the Dannebrog fell from the sky during the Livonian Crusade, it is likely that it was inspired by the earlier Reichssturmfahne:



    The other Scandinavian flags postdate the Dannebrog and are of course based on it in turn.

    In this sense, it is a nice touch to borrow it back as some sort of common design. The tendency to do that was also evident in other ways in the religious imagery of the Germanic peoples during the Common Germanic era. However, a cross flag could be misinterpreted as an affirmation of Europe and Christendom, which I do not find desirable at all.

    A sunwheel, apart from being politically inopportunous, is likewise prone to misinterpretation in terms of the identity it alludes to, but its inherent meaning is powerful and appropriate.

    The idea of using a raven is what I like best so far, because of its emphasis on mental might.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauke Haien View Post
    A sunwheel, apart from being politically inopportunous, is likewise prone to misinterpretation in terms of the identity it alludes to, but its inherent meaning is powerful and appropriate.
    I think the meaning outweighs everything that speaks against it. There are obvious mental barriers that have to be overcome, thats true.
    But the Sun, representing the eternal Power that we want to become, emphasises not only mental but absolute might.

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    And there goes Austria?

    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
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    I think it would be a good idea, perhaps not as the official national flag for each state, but as a second flag representing a part of a 'confederacy' of Germanic nations, why not?

    Since I was young I always thought of Scandinavia, Denmark and Iceland as a collective group since they all had the same flag shape. (for some reason I didn't make the link with England, perhaps because the Union Jack was more symbolic of the country in my mind at that time). I never felt the 'christianity' link to be as strong as the link between all the countries symbolised by the flag. It's just a matter of attitude, and attitude can be a matter of education. Symbols change their meanings all the time. (eg, after decades of 'mis' education, the church could expropriate pre-christian icons and festivals for itself, why not the same in reverse? ).

    Besides, the (sun) cross is already a pre-christian symbol, and has been used by non-christian euro-nationalists for a while now (including the norway govt 1941-1945). Anything that fosters a kind of unity/collective awareness in peoples minds should be encoraged, IMO.

    re. the 'proposed north of england' flag in the first post, IMO this is something of a farce drempt up by some ultra-regionalist northerner in his bedroom, the red cross is fine, or a 'nordic style' cross for the whole of england, but just for the north? blah
    I would prefer a non-cross flag (like the 'saxon dragon') as a choice for a 'free and independant' England as symbolising a new dawn, a clean break from the 'christian' era and a greater emphasis on the ethnic past & unity of the people(rather than the religious), but as a grouping I think it would be good to have 'two flags', one symbolising the nation, and the other (crosses) the collectivity of northern lands - the tradition is there already, why not use it?

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    I don't have much affinity with the Dutch national flag, and would be open to a successor with a Nordic cross. That it's a (the) Christian symbol is a plus for me. But apart from that the Nordic cross as a flag symbol has a strength of its own.

    What I don't like is the idea that the Netherlands would get a flag that might be seen as a knock-off of the Nordic flags.

    However, in the unlikely event that the Netherlands and Flanders become a confederacy, we might need a common flag that resembles neither the Dutch nor the Flemish flag, to underscore that neither country is absorbing the other.

    Currently, the only widely used flag in the Netherlands featuring a cross (albeit not a Nordic cross) is that of the northernmost province in the Netherlands, i.e. that of Groningen:



    The white/green cross in the middle represents the (originally Saxon) city Groningen, and the blue/red squares represent the (originally Frisian) Ommelanden ("surrounding lands").

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    Although i think its better for individual Germanic nations to retain more tribalistic symbols in their flags, such as the English White Dragon, but if there was to be a Pan-Germanic flag the Nordic Cross is unsuitable beause:

    A) It only symbolises the North Germanic (ie Norse) spectrum of Europe which, though important, is smaller than the West Germanic groups, and thus the symbolic flag design for a smaller part of a larger community should not rely represent that of the whole body.

    B) The cross is a Christian symbol and thus for all extensive purposes not really fit to be used as a symbol for the Germanic culture.

    Ideally for me a suitable Pan-Germanic flag design would include the Odal rune symbol which is purely Germanic, as opposed to the Swastika and Sun Cross which is found in other cultures.

    In fact i think i'll make my avatar an odal rune from now on...

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    I have no problem with countries that want a cross on their flag, it could be a "quartering" or a "polaris" if it was heraldry. A cross doesn't have to mean "Jesui".

    I voted "no" on the poll because I think that national sovereignty is more important than all the Germanic countries having the same kind of flag. What aim would similarity of flags serve if we were united in race or culture but divided in purpose, goal, and direction? In my opinion it would be a shallow symbol at best.

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