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    Quote Originally Posted by Freja_se View Post
    The bit about the third reich seems utter nonsense to me, probably since Germanics don't mean Germans, so Germans/tyskar is the word used when you discuss the third reich.
    I wonder if you confuse my post with someone elses or think that I defend the erroneous statements made (that tyskar can mean germaner which is just ridicilous). About the Third Reich and Hitler, Germanic is used in the context of the "Germanic race", den germanska rasen, in history classes dealing with WW2.


    That is interesting. What about "Tyskar", the word for Germans? Does it have the same connotations? Could the negative connotations of "Germansk" be the reason Snowman mentioned "Tyskar" as a widely used word?
    No, Tyskar does not have any general nazi connotations apart from perhaps in some mentally deranged leftists who think of Hitler whenever Germany or Germans is brought up for discussion. Tysk/Tyskar is simply a nationality in Swedish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrioten View Post


    No, Tyskar does not have any general nazi connotations apart from perhaps in some mentally deranged leftists who think of Hitler whenever Germany or Germans is brought up for discussion. Tysk/Tyskar is simply a nationality in Swedish.
    Yes, more so than germaner, which you suggested had such connotations. Uneducated people might confuse germaner with tyskar, so it could explain it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freja_se View Post
    Yes, more so than germaner, which you suggested had such connotations.
    Then we obviously have rather different experiences on this matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrioten View Post
    Then we obviously have rather different experiences on this matter.
    Apparently.

    In what way would the word "germaner"/germanics be appropriate and used when you discuss the third reich? I'm curious. It doesn't mean tyskar/Germans.

    Germaner/Germanics is often used when you discuss ancient Germanic tribes and Germanic languages. I have never seen any negative connotation to it, just as I haven't seen any negative connotations to Germanics, but to Germans, yes, you sometimes see it.

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    I have also found it interesting because Hitler did not speak of a Germanic race, but of a German race. When he spoke of people other than Germans, as of a collective, he used phrases like "the Aryan race".


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    Quote Originally Posted by Freja_se View Post
    In what way would the word "germaner"/germanics be appropriate and used when you discuss the third reich? I'm curious. It doesn't mean tyskar/Germans.
    I'm thinking to myself how to explain this so that you will understand. In school you learn about world war 2, Hitler, the holocaust, and some about the nazi/racist ideology of Hitler. The term aryan is often used within this education, we are talking about school here, but "den germanska rasen", the germanic race, is also used interchangably because it was a term used back then to denote the racial group that Germans and other Germanic people belonged to according to some racial classification systems at that time.

    I can't make it any more simple than that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    I have also found it interesting because Hitler did not speak of a Germanic race, but of a German race. When he spoke of people other than Germans, as of a collective, he used phrases like "the Aryan race".
    I wont vouch for the quality of the education I recieved in the Swedish public school system, after all I was told that the Germans made soap and lampshades from Jews.

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    I don't understand how someone can confuse Germanic with German outside English. The words for them are obviously very different, not like in English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freja_se View Post
    I'm sorry but that is not correct. Tyskar means Germans, and only Germans. The Swedish word for Germanics is "GERMANER".

    So, no, "tyskar" does not work fine, and I have never in my life seen the word tyskar refer to anything other than Germans, only.


    Germanic languages is called "Germanska språk" in Swedish.

    The German language is called "tyska språket" in Swedish.


    If you want to refer to Scandinavians you would say "skandinaver" or sometimes "nordbor" in Swedish. The adjectives are "skandinavisk" and "nordisk". Scandinavia, or the Nordic countries, is sometimes referred to as "norden".
    Thank you. But I already know all that.

    I tryed answer to Dagna questions. I paste it again

    "Which term is most commonly used in Scandinavia to refer to Germanics as a whole? I know of the existence of words like "nordisk" but I am curious if there is another which includes people like the Germans, English or Dutch."

    The correct word is "Germaner". Although I and other use the word "tyskar" when we want to simplify things in an conversation. Because the language and all the people is originated from german tribes looong back in time. Dagna asked for alternative to "Germaner" and I just gave one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrioten View Post
    I'm thinking to myself how to explain this so that you will understand. In school you learn about world war 2, Hitler, the holocaust, and some about the nazi/racist ideology of Hitler. The term aryan is often used within this education, we are talking about school here, but "den germanska rasen", the germanic race, is also used interchangably because it was a term used back then to denote the racial group that Germans and other Germanic people belonged to according to some racial classification systems at that time.

    I can't make it any more simple than that.

    I wont vouch for the quality of the education I recieved in the Swedish public school system, after all I was told that the Germans made soap and lampshades from Jews.
    The term Aryan/arisk is used, but not germansk/Germanic, since it has no link to the Nazis. They didn't speak of Germanics/germaner, they spoke of the Germans and of the Aryan race, and the German people.

    I think this is simply a case of not realizing that the word "germaner"/Germanics doesn't mean tyskar/Germans. lol

    It seems a few Swedes don't know the difference.


    The word germaner/Germanics has never had any racially loaded meaning in Swedish, and I have never heard the term "Germanic/germanska race used in school , but instead the term ariska/Aryan race. The word Aryan was very important and the one used, so there you would have a case since it indeed has negative "third reich" connotations.

    Germaner:

    http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germaner

    Aryan:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowman View Post
    Although I and other use the word "tyskar" when we want to simplify things in an conversation. Because the language and all the people is originated from german tribes looong back in time.
    Do you believe in some form of Paleolithic Continuity Theory or do you posit a proto-Germanic Urheimat in Germany within a wider Indo-Europeanisation process?

    The expansion of the Germanic tribes is usually imagined in a North-South direction like this:


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