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    Should Emigration Be Judged As Treason?

    Germans from Germany are leaving the country in droves and the phenomenon happens in other countries too. The ones who immigrate most often are young ones. The result = lack of labor force, more foreigners brought in to do their jobs, aging demographics and so forth.

    Should a person be punished for attempting to immigrate to another country? Should immigration be judged as treason?

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    What a complex question. : / America in particular complicates this idea, considering it is a country made up of immigrants, people whose ancestors came over here at one point or another. Had there not been so much international and interracial mixing, I would say that people should stay in the land of their ancestors, and those not from that country should not be allowed jobs unless there is 0% Unemployment for natives.

    Of course, this would also require of the people to have Nationalism and pride in their work, so that they are the best person for the job and would not perform more poorly than the immigrant who was denied the position.

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    But Americans (the old stock ones, WASPs) didn't "immigrate", there was no country called the USA back then, they founded a country there. The recent immigrants who left Europe because America has more money are traitors of course.

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    I do suppose it depends on how recent you mean. I am not sure if I can judge people escaping war as traitors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by triedandtru View Post
    I do suppose it depends on how recent you mean. I am not sure if I can judge people escaping war as traitors.
    Neither would I. I said those who immigrate for money. Just because America was originally inhabited by Injuns doesn't mean everyone should be free to immigrate there. That's the kind of arguments all the aliens use to justify their presence there. "It's a nation of immigrants".

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    Leaving one's native country is emigration. In otherwords it is population outflow. Immigration is inflow. I don't think emigration should be illegal or treasonous, it should in fact be a human right. Immigration though is a different matter & should not be a human right. Everyone should be allowed to emigrate but only to countries that will accept them as lawful immigrants.

    All nations should be allowed to determined who can immigrate. I think persons who encourage immigration to achieved demographic changes - changes that are amounting to genocide in most Western countries - should be charged with treason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    But Americans (the old stock ones, WASPs) didn't "immigrate", there was no country called the USA back then, they founded a country there. The recent immigrants who left Europe because America has more money are traitors of course.
    How would one judge motives for immigrating though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    Germans from Germany are leaving the country in droves and the phenomenon happens in other countries too. The ones who immigrate most often are young ones. The result = lack of labor force, more foreigners brought in to do their jobs, aging demographics and so forth.

    Should a person be punished for attempting to immigrate to another country? Should immigration be judged as treason?
    Tough question.

    Speaking as somebody who has jumped ship I'm not in a position to consider it "treason" without having serious problems facing myself in the mirror in the mornings. (That's already hard enough btw )

    I think everybody's situation is different so it would be too simplistic to stereotype all as "traitors".

    I consider those who turn on their own background as traitors whether they emigrated or not. The ones who always whine how "bad" their culture / group is, how many "wrong" things they did, why [their adopted culture / group] is "so much better" and "perfect" etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    The ones who immigrate most often are young ones. The result = lack of labor force,
    I don't believe there is a lack of a labor force. In fact, I believe we have far too many people in useless service and government jobs. A lot of those young men and women at the mall could be working in industry and manufacturing.

    more foreigners brought in to do their jobs, aging demographics and so forth.

    Foreigners, at least here, tend to stay far away from the physically demanding jobs. Seriously if immigrants did generate the wealth that politicians claimed, we wouldn't be in this recession! Most immigrants are scroungers, getting paid under the table and collecting welfare, or doing jobs which would had otherwise been done by pre-teens.


    Should a person be punished for attempting to immigrate to another country? Should immigration be judged as treason?
    I consider brain drain to be one of the most fundamentally challenging issues for the entire planet, not just the Germanic spectrum.

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    Foreigners here do the physically demanding jobs mostly.

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