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    Quote Originally Posted by Theuns View Post
    You talk of a subset, what exactly you mean by that is not clear.
    I think, he means like in a regional part of a nation. i.e. The Dutch in Brabant as opposed the Dutch in Holland. But let him speak for himself.
    Quote Originally Posted by Theuns View Post
    But let me say that the Afrikaner before 1902 were the Cape-Dutch, and some of them started referring to themselves as Afrikaners, in particular the AfrikanerBOND of 1878, but it was with an agenda for financial and political power.
    The Broederbond was started to support poorer Afrikaners that included assisting them to make it in business and academia. Overall this was a good idea. However it started working like an old boys network. The Afrikaner name was already a bit older, and yes those "Afrikaners" were also called "Boers".
    Quote Originally Posted by Theuns View Post
    Before 1902 those who went on the Trek, were called Boers.
    So were those that remained in the Cape. Take a pick at the literature. The English called both Boers, they just weren't happy with those that started their own Republics. And yes, Boers did refer to themselves as Afrikaners, too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Theuns View Post
    It must not be forgotten, as it is always the case and so easily, that for many years to come the Boers were called Boers, but in the education system the NAME was a changing.
    The emphasis did indeed change. This was done to borrow more legitimacy to our presence in Afrika. I say this, despite the fact that I give preference to the Boer name. I am just not in this silly Boer-against-Afrikaner-game. And many think this is actually a plot to create even more divisiveness and infighting. To make it simple for me I call myself Germanic, because that reflects my ancestry and phenotype. My friend, we are Africas Germanic nation and that's what counts.
    Quote Originally Posted by Theuns View Post
    Today those who call themselves Afrikaners have no clue as to the real history of this name and the concequenses of it.
    Neither have many of those that call themselves Boers nowadays. Especially when they proclaim that Boers are a separate nation from Afrikaners. And hence that they aren't Afrikaners.
    Quote Originally Posted by Theuns View Post
    The one being that the Cape-Dutch seem to have disappeared off the face of Africa, and with them their involvement against the Boer during the war, their assistance to the British against the Boer and for the help to get 24,000 Boer Children to the concentration camps, and to their DEATH in the camps.
    Thus the Cape-Dutch are just as guilty of the deaths of 50 % of the TOTAL Boer child population as are the British.
    So are the numerous Boer collaborators.
    Quote Originally Posted by Theuns View Post
    The other fact is that the Cape-Dutch, by taking on this NEW name of Afrikaner, and passing it on to the Boers, but specifically to the Boer children by means of the education system, they not only assisted Alfred Milner in his ideal to destroy the Boers Identity, but also to inherit the inheritance of the Boer Nation.
    As demonstrated above, that is actually nonsense. As said there were Anti-imperialist fighters in both the Boer Republics and in the Cape. And there were collaborators with the British in both political regions. Legally only those who were citizens of the Boer republics were traitors. But political divisions do not make those separate nations. Hell Germany was ~300 states at a time. Does that mean those are 300 nations right now? No, but at least the tribal subdivisions do have some historical foot to stand on.
    Quote Originally Posted by Theuns View Post
    If someone calls himself an Afrikaner, he still does not know what he is !
    ....
    And just using the word Boer doesn't change it either. Many of us seem to have a serious identity crisis, even claiming that they are Israelites (Boere-Jode anyone)? I agree that ethnic identity isn't a statically fixed thing. Just look at European history. To sum it up:
    - There is a geographic difference between the Cape Afrikaners and the Transvaal Afrikaners. But there is no real ethnographic differences warranting the identification of "two different nations".
    - I do prefer the term Boer for the fact that we had independent Boer republics. But that doesn't mean I believe those living in the Cape 1899 are a separate nation. In fact most of those Afrikaners living in the Transvaal today have ancestors that lived in the Cape before 1899. So most migration took place after the British occupied and incorporated the Boer Republics.
    - The Boer against Afrikaner debate is advocated remarkably silly by their proponents. By bashing on "Afrikaners" they alienate most in the Transvaal reducing the debate to an actual playing with words and loading the word "Boer" just as negatively. Other negative aspects could be pointed out, while I am not subscribing to the conspiracy theory that the Boer against Afrikaner debate is an intelligence service set up. I just wonder. Just as I wonder about many things coming from the "Israelites".

    So what needs to be done?
    - I think using the term Boer positively is a good idea. Get people interested into our history and make them knowledgeable about it.
    - Avoid at all cost negatively loading any ethnic names for White people whether they speak Afrikaans or English. Start seeing that we do have a common destiny as Germanic people and stop playing victim blaming others for your failure.
    "And God proclaims as a first principle to the rulers, and above all else, that there is nothing which they should so anxiously guard, or of which they are to be such good guardians, as of the purity of the race. They should observe what elements mingle in their offspring;..." Plato Politeia

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    This Afrikaner vs Boer debate (very popular in certain self-proclaimed "Boer" circles) is somewhat reminiscent of the tiring arguments amongst the Boerafrikaners about religion.

    It's just endless, pointless stupidity and waffle. Waged in order to make one side or the other feel more righteous, more important, more special and more...... more of everything.

    - They are not separate tribes or peoples, nations or identities
    - Calling one's self one or the other name really doesn't afford that person any special bragging rights
    - There are good people and sellouts amongst the entire spectrum of the Afrikaner/Boer/Germanic spectrum in SA

    The entire thing is a non-issue. It's a childish competition amongst soft-headed fools. If anything these self-proclaimed heroes are doing our cause more damage than good by playing silly word games instead of concentrating on what needs to be done to make us independent and free.

    Do we REALLY need to divide ourselves into even more partisan camps with silly agendas and promote ill-will, arguments and strife amongst one another?

    No.... we don't. We really need to get over this "dwarstrekkery" mentality and move on.

    My message for the mega-BOERS and the apparently "second rate Afrikaners" is:

    Get over yourselves, grow up. You're probably not 12 years old anymore. Stop the BS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
    This Afrikaner vs Boer debate (very popular in certain self-proclaimed "Boer" circles) is somewhat reminiscent of the tiring arguments amongst the Boerafrikaners about religion...
    I noticed the resemblence here as well. Especially the claim that "we are the lost tribes of Israel". So we are actually Boerejode. But what's next? Assigning us to the different tribes of Israel.
    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
    It's just endless, pointless stupidity and waffle. Waged in order to make one side or the other feel more righteous, more important, more special and more...... more of everything.
    That seems to be the problem. The Boer name seems to have the appeal of innocence and untaintedness to them. This while the Afrikaner name is tainted with the association of Broederbond and Apartheid.
    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
    - They are not separate tribes or peoples, nations or identities
    True, but preferences are a possibility. Just note like the Dutch use "Hollander" or "Nederlander". Imagine the Hollanders would declare they aren't Hollanders anymore?
    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
    - Calling one's self one or the other name really doesn't afford that person any special bragging rights
    And offending others neither.
    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
    - There are good people and sellouts amongst the entire spectrum of the Afrikaner/Boer/Germanic spectrum in SA
    And, if we look at the known traitors we'd see a pattern as well. Or why is it that most exposed police informer seem to come from the ranks of "Israel people", religious fanatics and other Superpeople?
    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
    The entire thing is a non-issue. It's a childish competition amongst soft-headed fools. If anything these self-proclaimed heroes are doing our cause more damage than good by playing silly word games instead of concentrating on what needs to be done to make us independent and free.
    Best of all, it seems to be a competition with only one party competing. There is "Boers" bashing on "Afrikaners", but there is virtually no Afrikaner group bashing on Boers.
    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
    Do we REALLY need to divide ourselves into even more partisan camps with silly agendas and promote ill-will, arguments and strife amongst one another?No.... we don't. We really need to get over this "dwarstrekkery" mentality and move on.
    Add to that the divide and copy tactics one sees from time to time.
    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
    My message for the mega-BOERS and the apparently "second rate Afrikaners" is:
    Get over yourselves, grow up. You're probably not 12 years old anymore. Stop the BS.
    As said there is no Afrikanergroup being anti-Boer. So you could be right on the dwaarstrekery ding here.

    Also interesting what Jopie Fourie had to say:
    "Ek kan nie insien waarom ons jong Afrikaners vir Engeland se eer moet veg nie. Wanneer ons die moord van Slagtersnek nagaan... en wanneer ek dink aan die 30 000 vroue en kinders wat vermoor is, sien ek nie waarom ek Engeland moet help om sy eer omhoog te hou nie."
    "And God proclaims as a first principle to the rulers, and above all else, that there is nothing which they should so anxiously guard, or of which they are to be such good guardians, as of the purity of the race. They should observe what elements mingle in their offspring;..." Plato Politeia

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    Inderdaad.

    En Jopie se woorde is logiese "common sense". Waarom op dees aarde moes ons mense hulself in die speletjies van Brittanje gaan inmeng het deur aan te sluit in n sinnelose oorlog teen ons eie mense? Die gedagte is verregaande.
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    Stormraaf I must say that your explanation was an imminently sensible one.

    The idea that Afrikaners and Boere are somehow different because of geographic centration is nonsensical. Similarly classifying people's ethnographic identity based on their political belief is nonsensical.

    On this website itself you will find there are people of non Boer extraction who are in favour of Boer ndependence... does this make them Boers?

    It does not.

    In the Boer Wars people like Solomon Kaplan of the Boksburg Commando (Jew) and Jack Hindon (Irish) and Russians etc fought for the independence of the Boer Republics with the same desperate hardiness as the bittereinders. Kaplan with Beyers and Hindon as a "Verkenner" - does this make either a "Boer"? Again no.

    Simply put one cannot use political viewpoints and geographic location to assign ethnographic identity. It is similar to your reference to Germans arguing over whether Thuringians or Bavarians make the best soldiers or who are "the true Germans". A ridiculous argument.

    I hold the view that those who advance divisionist agendae like the Boer / Afrikaner debate are short sighted or agents provocateur

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vry Burgher View Post
    ...I hold the view that those who advance divisionist agendae like the Boer / Afrikaner debate are short sighted or agents provocateur
    And fortunately it is rejected as such by most. However the small faction of Anti-Afrikaner-"Boers" manages to disrupt quite a bit of things. Especially on internet groups. Guess that is the dark side of modern technology.
    "And God proclaims as a first principle to the rulers, and above all else, that there is nothing which they should so anxiously guard, or of which they are to be such good guardians, as of the purity of the race. They should observe what elements mingle in their offspring;..." Plato Politeia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horagalles View Post
    And fortunately it is rejected as such by most. However the small faction of Anti-Afrikaner-"Boers" manages to disrupt quite a bit of things. Especially on internet groups. Guess that is the dark side of modern technology.
    Indeed. THIS disruptive activity is a common thread which runs through nearly all of these so-called "Boer" or "Afrikaner Nationalist" type forums I've ever come across.

    The people who own and control these sites are either hopelessly naive (frankly, idiots) for not immediately recognising and removing these disrupters who usually employ techniques like mindless spamming, religious arguments, the "Boer vs Afrikaner" non-debate etc

    OR

    They are not such "idiots" at all but they are really just operating honeypots and monitoring sites for the ANC Govt and its Marxist handlers from the SACP with the added bonus of confusing and disrupting those who actually would want to organise against the regime.

    One group had a campaign to sign members and their acquaintances up to a "Volksregister" ie a "National Registry". Very handy for the authorities to track potential dissidents, don't you all think so?

    I don't need a "National Registry" to recognise or know who another Afrikaner is. Why would they? It doesn't make much sense unless the intention were to provide this list to the SACP / ANC regime.

    Where are the credible opposition voices? Apart from Dan Roodt (and personally I'm not his biggest fan) there doesn't seem to be anything.

    - The FF+ are paid off to take the money and play the "democracy" game.
    - The self-described "intellectual class" (writers, media personalities etc) are > 90% sellouts and turncoats. They're utterly worthless.
    - Business types... out to make money. No interest in Nationalist causes.
    - General Public... they couldn't survive without their idiotic International rugby games.....
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    A previous friend of mine said it best

    Afrikaner = Political term
    Boer = Cultural term

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