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    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn ok Muninn View Post
    From what you say here, it sounds like most Afrikaners are part Hottentot. Is this really true?
    I believe reading this thread will shed some light on that. The answer would be NO:
    Afrikaners and Mixing


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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
    lol no it's not true

    There was some miscegenation yes, however these people are today collectively known as "Cape Coloureds", ie mixed race people. Their origins are from mostly Hottentot, Bushman, some white and some Malay sources in varying proportions.

    On the other hand, Afrikaners / Boers such as myself, Stormraaf and a number of posters on this thread and board usually have Western European (mostly Dutch / French / German) ancestry.
    I spoke with Stormraaf and Wikipedia claims that your kind absorbed Spaniards and Portuguese. I knew this was wrong from the offset because I couldn't see South Africa (farming colonies) being particularly attractive to Mediterraneans. At least that was the case in North America with Italians (most of them settled in the already urbanized East Coast. Not a single one went to the Mid-West...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatest View Post
    I spoke with Stormraaf and Wikipedia claims that your kind absorbed Spaniards and Portuguese. I knew this was wrong from the offset because I couldn't see South Africa (farming colonies) being particularly attractive to Mediterraneans. At least that was the case in North America with Italians (most of them settled in the already urbanized East Coast. Not a single one went to the Mid-West...)
    It is true that there we have a little bit of Portuguese but it's a small proportion. For example, the Afrikaner surname "Ferreira" is derived from an earlier Portuguese surname, probably "Perreira" or something similar. Since the Portuguese were very active in both Angola and Mozambique there was more scope and opportunity for influences to be introduced into SA.

    The Afrikaner's Spanish component would be very rare. I'd have to read that Wikipedia article but it sounds inaccurate to me to claim we absorbed Spanish genes. I'm not aware of any significant Spanish influences but there could be individual cases. Perhaps the article writer lumped Portugal and Spain together since at one time it used to be one Empire.

    We have a handful of Italians as well. As far as I know (experts pls correct me on this if you have additional info) many of these were WW2 POW's who decided to settle in SA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormraaf View Post
    Die volgende is aanhalings uit 'n artikel op die onderwerp deur Willie van der Grijp. Die volledige stuk is effe lank om hier te pos, maar die volle teks kan gelees word by http://anbsa.co.za/?p=45.
    Van der Grijp is vir seker die man wat oor verdeeldheid moet preek. Hy is die man wat met sy ANB van die HNP weg gebreek het (toe hy nie die leier kon word nie, hy gee natuurlik ander redes). Hy het ook te velde getrek teen Dan Roodt, optog van die Boerevrouens, Bok van Blerk en nog 'n paar ander dinge. Die groep het homself besig gehou met modder gooi na ander regse organisasies.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormraaf View Post
    Na bogenoemde volg 'n beskrywing van ons vroë volksgeskiedenis, hoofsaaklik om te argumenteer dat daar geen genetiese verskille tussen Boere en Kaapse Afrikaners is nie. Dan ook hoe die gebruik van die term Boere (met 'n hoofletter) ontstaan het, en hoe die Britte die term aangeneem het om na Afrikaners te verwys.
    Het iemand gese dat daar 'n verskill is? Hierdie is 'n strooiman argument deur die Grijper. Die argument oor die terme Boer/Afrikaner gaan veral oor identiteit.

    Personally I have a preference for the term Boer. But I'm opposed to making it a matter of dispute.

    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
    lol no it's not true

    There was some miscegenation yes, however these people are today collectively known as "Cape Coloureds", ie mixed race people. Their origins are from mostly Hottentot, Bushman, some white and some Malay sources in varying proportions.

    On the other hand, Afrikaners / Boers such as myself, Stormraaf and a number of posters on this thread and board usually have Western European (mostly Dutch / French / German) ancestry.
    The story of the 6 % Black Blood in Afrikaners was a propaganda move. They suggested that Afrikaners have already mixed ancestry in order to imply that there is no reason to further mixing. There is most likely less non-White Blood amongst Afrikaners then Sami blood amongst swedes. If someone comes up with the "already-mixed" argument, I usually asked whether that is an argument for or against Eugenics.

    I'm btw. mainly of German and also Dutch ancestry and I can follow up backwards to European ancestors.
    "And God proclaims as a first principle to the rulers, and above all else, that there is nothing which they should so anxiously guard, or of which they are to be such good guardians, as of the purity of the race. They should observe what elements mingle in their offspring;..." Plato Politeia

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    Since I can understand Afrikaner as a Dutchman, you Afrikaners are likely to understand Dutch also.

    Ik groet jullie en ik heb met veel interesse deze thread gelezen. Ik wist niet dat de "Boer" naast Duits en uiteraard Nederlands, ook Portugees en Italiaans bloed heeft. Ik dacht dat het puur Nederlands Duits was. Engels bloed zal er uiteraard ook inzitten, terwijl de oorspronkelijke Boer zeker geen Engelsman was!

    Trouwens, Zuid Afrika werd niet een Engelse kolonie door "a minor trade dispute" zoals ik iemand hier hoorde zeggen. Dat was een "large trade dispute" wat werd gevolgd door een genocide op de Nederlands/ Duitse Boeren. Dat leren wij helaas amper meer in Europa.

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    Greetings Mjolnir, I understand you perfectly but my Dutch grammar is useless so I'll reply in English.


    "minor trade dispute" - we were being sarcastic

    Regarding the Portuguese and Italian, there isn't very much. For example, one of my military instructors had an Italian surname although he was as Afrikaans as one can get. The Portuguese discovered the sea-route around the Cape and were present in Angola and Mozambique so their presence is less surprising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
    Greetings Mjolnir, I understand you perfectly but my Dutch grammar is useless so I'll reply in English.


    "minor trade dispute" - we were being sarcastic

    Regarding the Portuguese and Italian, there isn't very much. For example, one of my military instructors had an Italian surname although he was as Afrikaans as one can get. The Portuguese discovered the sea-route around the Cape and were present in Angola and Mozambique so their presence is less surprising.
    Mea culpa, I didn t get that sarcasm.
    I know about the Potuguese and their seafaring skills, but I am surprised that there are any Portuguese/Italian surnames among Boers. Didn't know that one. Although French surnames are also present (Terreblanche for example..)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjolnir View Post
    Mea culpa, I didn t get that sarcasm.
    I know about the Potuguese and their seafaring skills, but I am surprised that there are any Portuguese/Italian surnames among Boers. Didn't know that one. Although French surnames are also present (Terreblanche for example..)
    There are less Italian surnames then amongst English or Dutch people. Ferreira is however quite common. Note that the mixing argument is often a tool to put down defences against race mixing in general. That is why people sometimes react suspicious to it.
    "And God proclaims as a first principle to the rulers, and above all else, that there is nothing which they should so anxiously guard, or of which they are to be such good guardians, as of the purity of the race. They should observe what elements mingle in their offspring;..." Plato Politeia

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    One must not forget that a Scandinavian component also exists within the Afrikaner. During the Boer war there was a Scandinavian contingent that assisted the Afrikaners if I am not mistaken. One friend of mine has Danish ancestry (his mother's maiden name is Andersen) and another has Swedish ancestry (his surname is Söderlund). By the way, I prefer the term "Trekboer Afrikaner", this is just my own way of distinguishing myself from the modern day
    I-am-liberal-and-soooo-sorry-about-apartheid-“Afrikaners" and also to honour those true Arikaners who weren’t intent on being british subjects or staying in the Cape were race mixing was taking place .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wikingsdonner View Post
    One must not forget that a Scandinavian component also exists within the Afrikaner. During the Boer war there was a Scandinavian contingent that assisted the Afrikaners if I am not mistaken. One friend of mine has Danish ancestry (his mother's maiden name is Andersen) and another has Swedish ancestry (his surname is Söderlund). By the way, I prefer the term "Trekboer Afrikaner", this is just my own way of distinguishing myself from the modern day
    I-am-liberal-and-soooo-sorry-about-apartheid-“Afrikaners" and also to honour those true Arikaners who weren’t intent on being british subjects or staying in the Cape were race mixing was taking place .
    You have a good way of putting things straight.
    I didn t know Swedes and Danes were part of the Boer too. I know there are some similarities between Danes and Dutch, but with Boers, thats new to me. Swedes as Boers surprise me moreover.

    I am sorry that you are liberal.

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