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    Question An Independent State for Germanics in South Africa?

    Do you believe a movement of secession like in Belgium would be an alternative to moving to Europe or the USA? Do you believe in an independent state for Germanics in South Africa? Where would it be located and how big would it be?


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    For all SA Germanics, no, not at the moment. Only for Afrikaners, though I can't imagine that any Volkstaat proponents would deny Anglo-Africans some degree of inclusion if it ever came to it.

    Due to disagreement as to where such a state would be, there is more than one such movement, but none of these are well-supported. The difference between SA and Belgium is that we are dispersed all over the country, with no region's majority consisting of Germanics.

    I'd like to believe in this alternative. My avatar even sports the flag associated with one of the proposed regions for a Volkstaat. I doubt the idea ever seeing the light of day, though. A lot would have to change in both the current political climate and the hearts and minds of SA Germanics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormraaf View Post
    For all SA Germanics, no, not at the moment. Only for Afrikaners, though I can't imagine that any Volkstaat proponents would deny Anglo-Africans some degree of inclusion if it ever came to it.
    What about those of German heritage, who I remember to be smaller in number than either Afrikaners or English-descended but recall my stepfather mentioning as at least 20 years ago being reasonably sizeable; we also had a German-descended childhood friend of his visit the other year but I forgot to ask about how the German-descended were faring at large.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    What about those of German heritage, who I remember to be smaller in number than either Afrikaners or English-descended but recall my stepfather mentioning as at least 20 years ago being reasonably sizeable; we also had a German-descended childhood friend of his visit the other year but I forgot to ask about how the German-descended were faring at large.
    Afrikaners, and especially Boers, have long favoured Germans over Anglos.

    Admittedly, I don't have any good answers regarding the other Germanic groups. Advocating a Volkstaat is usually concerned with who is included, not excluded.

    Consider, though, such a German's interaction with society. He/she would either have learned to speak Afrikaans (as it used to be) or English (as it is nowadays) and have been somewhat assimilated into one of the two groups. It wouldn't be difficult to find a pretense for claiming the German belongs to one national group or the other.

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    An African Germanic state might be the best way to describe the vision of the Afrikaner. Most Afrikaners can follow their ancestry to Northern Europe. I myself is 10% Danish, 30% French, 30% Dutch and 30% German. The general philosophy is that a group should choose who they feel at ease to include in the group. This is a more dynamic process. Germans supporting the values of Afrikaners would from my perspective be welcomed with open arms. Yes, we believe an independent state is not just plausible but a prerequisite for the survival of our culture, language and history. The real problem is where such a territory should be since the Afrikaner is dispersed throughout South Africa.

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    The only problem with a volkstaat is that we have no say. In the current political situation the opposition parties can not even do something about a wrong electricity bill, which you have to pay for, even if you know that they are scewing you blind folded. The government is trying to seize land from the boers, and they are very successful. Get off the land of your forefathers or the hoards will wipe you out. The politics are very simple, thousands of boers have died a torturous death by so called criminals. The government wants the world to believe farm attacks are nothing else than criminal activity. Tha ANC has an image of being the saviours of Africa, the best thing since Christ. They see what is happening north of the border in Zimbabwe and dont want to publicly tarnish their image. Blame it all on crime if you can not blame it on Apartheid. It is a win win situation, the land goes barren in the hands of the african, the multi-national corporations can corrupt and everybody makes money except the dead Afrikaner. The government will never give the Afrikaner a homeland, because it poses a threat. The Afrikaner will prosper in a homeland, and the whole of Africa and the a selected few in power of the world would like to see the Afrikaner vanish from the face of the planet. Money rules the world and an Afrikaner homeland will make it harder to fill the pockets of the corrupters, therefore the Afrikaner will have no backing to insist on a homeland. We are currently tourists in the land of our forefathers and our visas have an expiry date stamped on it. The ANC will never give the Afrikaner a chance to become a formidable nation again. If they are going about seizing land at a formidable rate why would the give away a portion of South Africa without a war.

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    The Boers should just hang in there. Botswana and Namibia seem quite good. They have low population density there and the Kaffirs are dying like flies from HIV. Give it a couple of generations, a few more HIV mutations and the Bantu will be extinct. Patience.

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    Band up into groups. Get weapons. Fortify your land. Set traps on it. If they kill you bring as many down as possible with you. In my experience blacks/criminals are usually cowards anyway. Die laughing.

    This defeatist attitude makes one ashamed to be white. In then end all you can do in life is struggle. Whether you win or loose does not matter- give it 100% of what you got. Worrying or considering yourself already beat accomplishes nothing.

    As for a homeland I would go somewhere where there are the least amount of people right now or least non-whites and where the land is still good for farming and such. U.S. and west europe will collapse soon enough then who will back the terrorists? Patience.

    About electric: set up your own power. Renewable energy is getting very affordable now. Seperate from the degenerate society as much as possible. Its the only way you can remain healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainman View Post
    As for a homeland I would go somewhere where there are the least amount of people right now or least non-whites and where the land is still good for farming and such.
    Rainman, I like your attitude. Many Afrikaners are indoctrinated to be ashamed of their heritage. They are made to believe they owe the rest of the world their sins. Action is the force that will make a difference, not a weak attitude of hopelessness.

    In terms of your suggestion, the area identified by the Freedom Front Plus is a area that is the least densely populated. We need a coordinated body that starts the movement to settle in this area. If a critical mass begins this movement there will be no stop to a homeland for the Afrikaners. You can not break the spirit of the people if they band together.

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    The average Afrikaner do not give a damm about the government or the so called democratic constitution. The government think they rule the country, but they do not rule the Afrikaner, they never will, not even the Mighty British Empire could break the spirit of the Afrikaner or rule us to their satisfaction. My family has been on this continent since the late sixteen hundreds, and wish as they might they can not make us vanish. To create a homeland you need lots of capital to buy land from willing sellers, set up industries, farms and infrastructure. The Afrikaner has the know how, we built a country from scratch, just look at a sattelite foto of Africa taken at night. Only south Africa is vissible. The rest of Africa is one dark mass. The only true way of making sure the Afrikaner gets a homeland is by stopping the genocide being committed on white farmers. For every hectare of land seized by the hoards it makes it more difficult to embark on the road for an Afrikaner homeland.

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