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    Should be careful about that. A man should bring his own condom and not let the woman know where he keeps them. Less you want holes in them and a child support bill coming in

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    Do you think it is sad when the coyote choose to kill a duck and eat it? From 2 ducks come thousands. They spring from the eternal abyss and return to it. All people die. How can anyone choose whether I live or die? Maybe they can shorten my life, but why do people think they can escape the reality of death?

    The arguments against abortion come from an indvidualist standpoint and a short sighted one. What matters is the community and greater good. Say if we didn't let the coyote kill ducks. The coyote would die and the ducks would overpopulate and soon kill themselves from over population. Death is an inescapable part of life. This relates to Asatru and paganism as it celebrates death and has human sacrafice and Christianity which believes only in eternal life and eternal creation of souls but no destruction.

    We are not created when born nor destroyed when we die. We come from a long line of ancestors and from a nation and soil of the past and we effect that lineage on into the future after we die. Life doesn't begin and end with the individual.

    If I had to die tommorow because it was the best thing for my folk then so be it!! Many die in war everyday for similar reasons. It makes no sense to argue against abortion because death is so wrong. And what if someone uses a condom and millions of sperm die? Is that murder? Death always happens. Cells on your body die every minute and are replaced. What matters is that you- the organism remains alive and healthy. The same way with individual people- their deaths mean little what matters is the folk are alive and healthy. We must weigh our decisions on how good they are for the folk. That is the meaning of being a racialist.

    I do admit it would make more since to have as many babies as possible and then later sterilize defective ones and maybe kill the less competent older people who have already lived life in a humane way, but I don't think society will accept that. Resources aren't unlimited and people don't live forever. I don't understand the incredible fear and disgust at death people have. It is a part of life. Anyone who hunts or owns a farm knows this. I guess people are divorced from reality in this day and age. Had I never been born I wouldn't care. My parts would hae incarnated into different forms. I can't remember being a baby, nor can I remember myself before birth but every atom in my body existed before then. My genes and blood existed in other people to some degree. Others were having the same or similar experiences as me. It's no loss if I was never born. People today are too selfish and individualistic. They have no concept of the community and greater good.

    Of course I agree with abortion for complete opposite reasons as the liberals. Liberals believe the woman can do whatever she wants with "her body". I think it is every man woman and childs duty to do what is best for his/her people and community. We are one step away from saying its ok to lie cheat and steal because the individual wants it. Actually I know inside the super liberal inner cities this attitude already exists!! Let's not punish criminals. Madness

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    The decisions thread made me wonder... Some couples got pregnant and the man would tell the woman he doesn't want the child and if she doesn't abort she can kiss their relationship goodbye. Or the woman prefers to focus on her career and doesn't want the baby but the man does.
    Who do you think should be more entitled to decide about whether to have a baby or abort it, the mother or the father? Is it the mother, because it's her body and her womb? Or is it the father, because he is the head of the family?
    I am not into any kind of entitlement scenario, in real terms the mother is the only one who has any say what so ever. It is, ultimately, her choice. If she respects her self she will not abort. In my opinion, abortion is the lie that says 'this life does not exist', a lie that implies a deep-seated shame in even being a woman. It is a lie that many people call murder. She is murdering not only her own child, but also a piece of our future.

    Quote Originally Posted by rainman View Post
    As racialists or folkists we do not live for ourselves but rather for the community and for the family (folk) which extends back generations into the past and the future. Your life does not begin with your birth and does not end with your death. As such it is a duty to have children if you are healthy and a duty not to if you are genetically not healthy.

    It is the community's decision. That is hard for many of us as we lack true communities now and need to come together as folkish people with a common belief and start living for the folk rather than ourselves.
    But its not the communities decision. She will do as she decides. That is the reality. If she has any self-respect, she will respect her community, honor her self and that community in her decision.

    Maybe better as a separate thread, but I do not think any community even really exists but as a community of individuals. The honest person will come to the conclusion that to live for ones self is to live for community, to live for the community is to live for ones self. That the individual is a unique manifestation of the folk, the ultimate combination of ones ancestors. The individual as the most immediate, living, breathing and present aspect of the folk. Each must decide for ourselves the direction of our people, when these decisions are collectively right, we progress. But we must know and acknowledge the responsibility inherent in our individuality. If it is to be right, the choice its self must be embraced.

    I digress.

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