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    I can only agree with the above mentioned article. It's quite evident that South Europeans are not similar to Indians or Bangladeshis.

    "E tutti si scandalizzano quando sentono dire: quel tale tipo di mammifero o di uccello ormai è sparito dalla faccia della terra, non lo vedremo più; è una grave perdita. Certo, si tratta di gravissime perdite.
    Ma non sarebbe forse più grave se sparisse una comunità umana?? --Bruno Salvadori

    Seven pictures of northern European males and seven pictures of northern African males were presented randomly via a computer screen to 82 Italian female undergraduates of the University of Padua, Italy.
    Each picture depicted a full frontal face with a neutral facial expression. Participants were asked to classify each picture as either northern Italian or southern Italian.
    On average, the seven pictures depicting northern Europeans were classified as northern Italians 81% of the time. The seven pictures depicting northern Africans were classified as southern Italians 83%
    of the time.



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    Post Re: The Mediterranean Myth

    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried Augustus

    Mediterranid types have different descent in different regions, but most or all of them, also seem to have a robust Natufian-type origin. Mediterranean types emerged from from such robust ancestors independantly.

    In certain regions there is genetic evidence for this. U6 lineages ultimately from West Asia, are found in North Africa and Iberia as well. They mignt reveal a common western Mediterranean, Capsian, gracilisation.

    So the old idea of a Mediterranean race hasn't been disproved, it's still one way of looking at the evidence.

    Because the history of these types, has been the assimilation of northern immigrants, it's no wonder that some Mediterranids are close (genetically) to north-western Europe.

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    I don't buy the Mediterranean stuff. Coon thought the Arabs of Yemen to be pure Mediterranids. What tosh. Anyone who has travelled about the south of Europe can see that those people are not Mediterranids but mixtures of Alpinids or Dinarids with the older populations that existed there thousands of years ago. I don't buy the Nordid stuff either. Coon's Corded reemergence comes closest to what I think is Nordid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graeme
    I don't buy the Mediterranean stuff. Coon thought the Arabs of Yemen to be pure Mediterranids. What tosh. Anyone who has travelled about the south of Europe can see that those people are not Mediterranids but mixtures of Alpinids or Dinarids with the older populations that existed there thousands of years ago.
    IIRC, these older populations you mentioned were of Mediterranid stock. IIRC, Coon stated that the Mediterranid type is, with the exception of Iberia, not common in Europe (not in a relatively pure form, anyway). In most Southern European countries, it is mixed up with, for example, Alpine (Dinarics being the product of a Med-Alpine blend, IIRC).
    Ignoring traits like pigmentation, Coon then saw a band of relative morphological homogeneity that stretched from Iberia, across North-Africa, into the near East. However, this homogeneity is of a purely morphological nature, and does not mean the Spanish have nowadays more affinity with North Africans than with other Europeans.



    It is, however, important to realise that North Africa used to be Europid territory and to a certain degree still is; because of divergent evolution and mongrelisation they have moved away from the Europeans however. Ancient North African admixture should therefore not be treated as an indication of non-White admixture.

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    Post Re: The Mediterranean Myth

    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried Augustus
    It is, however, important to realise that North Africa used to be Europid territory and to a certain degree still is; because of divergent evolution and mongrelisation they have moved away from the Europeans however. Ancient North African admixture should therefore not be treated as an indication of non-White admixture.

    Actually, the trend has been to an increased northern genetic influence in North Africa, and the rest of the Mediterranean.

    North Africa is as Europoid as Iberia.

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    Post Re: The Mediterranean Myth

    So can one conclude from that statement that you believe Iberia as a whole is Europoid and not Europid? If, why is it so?


    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    Actually, the trend has been to an increased northern genetic influence in North Africa, and the rest of the Mediterranean.

    North Africa is as Europoid as Iberia.

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    Post Re: The Mediterranean Myth

    Quote Originally Posted by Volksdeutscher
    So can one conclude from that statement that you believe Iberia as a whole is Europoid and not Europid? If, why is it so?

    Isn't Europid the same as Europoid (ie Caucasoid)?

    Iberians and North Africans are both obviously Europoid.
    Last edited by morfrain_encilgar; Tuesday, May 11th, 2004 at 07:38 PM.

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    Post Re: The Mediterranean Myth

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    Actually, the trend has been to an increased northern genetic influence in North Africa, and the rest of the Mediterranean.

    North Africa is as Europoid as Iberia.
    In which way?
    Spaniards and Portugueses are totally different from Algerians or Moroccans, there's no way they can be confused

    "E tutti si scandalizzano quando sentono dire: quel tale tipo di mammifero o di uccello ormai è sparito dalla faccia della terra, non lo vedremo più; è una grave perdita. Certo, si tratta di gravissime perdite.
    Ma non sarebbe forse più grave se sparisse una comunità umana?? --Bruno Salvadori

    Seven pictures of northern European males and seven pictures of northern African males were presented randomly via a computer screen to 82 Italian female undergraduates of the University of Padua, Italy.
    Each picture depicted a full frontal face with a neutral facial expression. Participants were asked to classify each picture as either northern Italian or southern Italian.
    On average, the seven pictures depicting northern Europeans were classified as northern Italians 81% of the time. The seven pictures depicting northern Africans were classified as southern Italians 83%
    of the time.



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    Post Re: The Mediterranean Myth

    Well, fine if you mean it as such. I understand then, however, Greek suffix -oid (from -oeides) is "like" or "resembling".


    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    Isn't Europid the same as Europoid (ie Caucasoid)?

    Iberians and North Africans are both obviously Europoid.

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