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    If diablo loves extraeuropean caucasoids so much maybe he should move to the Middle East, North Africa or Brazil instead of insisting that people in other countries share his fetish for Latinas, Turks and Arab beauties. I look down on any Iranian or Arab girl who would lower herself to race mix with a sad creature like him.

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    Aryan; this word sure seems to mean a lot of different things to the posters in this thread. That is not so surprising; misunderstanding and confusion about the word is a very common problem, not only among racialists and/or the members of Skadi, but among the people of the world in general.
    In my view the most reoccurring illness of this thread is the number of posts presenting a misunderstanding of Aryan, Aryanism and Pan-Aryanism.
    I will, in this post, communicate my ideas relating to Aryan, Aryanism and Pan-Aryanism and the so called "PANF".

    Let's begin with my understanding, and I believe the correct understanding, of the word Aryan.

    What does Aryan mean?


    The word Aryan (Ar'y-an) is from the Indo-European language family.
    Ar = superior / noble. So an Aryan is a person who is superior / noble. Aryans are persons who are superior / noble.

    Ar is not just something which scholars started using in the 18th century, like some leftists would like people to believe. Nor is Ar something the National Socialists of the Third Reich just decided to distort or abuse (they did not distort nor abuse it). Ar/Ir is something which has been used by our people, Europids, since history began. Ar has been used in both east and west for a very long time! Spelled and pronounced differently sometimes, sure, but the meaning is the same.

    I will now list related words (all having roughly the same meaning and many, not all, being etymologically related) in Indo-European languages.

    • Sanskrit: Arya (kind , favourable; attached to , true , devoted , dear; excellent, master , lord, a respectable, a man highly esteemed, or honourable or faithful man, an owner)
    • Anglo Saxon: Ár(honour, worth; glory, dignity; grace, prosperity; kindness, benefit, help)
    • Old German: era
    • Germanic: erilaz = (member of the noble class, Runemaster)
    • German: ehre = (honour, honesty, praise)
    • Irish: Aire
    • Dutch: eer
    • Greek: αριστος
    • Ancient Greek: Aristos = (best, noblest)
    • Persian: áriya
    • Latin: ars (Art)
    • Icelandic: ađall (nobility)


    The list could be much longer.

    The Sanskrit lexicon Amarakosha (ca. 450 AD) defines Arya as: "An Arya is one who hails from a noble family, of gentle behavior and demeanor, good-natured and of righteous conduct."

    Who were Aryans in the past and who are Aryan now?

    The Aryans of the past were the most noble / superior people of the past. The most noble / superior people of the past were of what would be called a Nordic / Europid race. Why were they Aryans (noble/superior)? Be cause they were the most creative! We define superiority on demonstrated ability and/or achievement. They as the Master-race founded all higher civilizations and dominated inferior slave-race peoples.

    Are all of the Nordic / Europid race Aryans?

    The Euoropid as a whole compared to the Negroid race can be considered Aryans. But can we truly say the being of the Europid race automatically makes one Aryan? No, since most of the Europid race in this point in time are non-creative slave people. Only an Elite of the Europid race in this point in time are creative with a Master mentality, thus only an Elite of the Europid race can be considered Aryan.

    Why should we use the word Aryan?

    As explained above the word Aryan, sometimes spelled differently, is a word that has been used by the Europids since the dawn of history (at least 7000 years). It is a part of our culture, the culture we are fighting to preserve and advance. Even though the meaning of the word is widely misunderstood we should never stop using it, seeing that our enemies distort the meaning of all our words. For example they have distorted the meaning National Socialism (pro-Life) in the eyes of the masses into something which is "evil" and dishonorable, they dub it Nazism. It has become clear to me that our enemies think that by distorting and destroying the meaning of our words (our tools for communication) they can distort our movement. If we do as they will and stop using words just be cause they have been distorted we let our enemies see how effective their methods are. Aryan is a part of our identity. We must use and guard our great words!

    See more: What is Aryan and why we should use the word

    Now that we have established what Aryan means we shall have a look at what Aryanism and Pan-Aryanism mean. As Aryan is a word for the superior socio-biological entity Aryanism is a word for an idea/movement that advances that superior socio-biological entity. Now what then is Pan-Aryanism truly?

    What Pan-Aryanism truly is;
    is an idea/movement that, views the entity of Aryandom as being composed of some various different smaller entities that make up the larger one, and, wishes for those different (yet all Aryan) entities to co-operate in light of their shared socio-biological (cultural & racial) heritage. This might even go so far as to will for the same government for the various different Aryan entities (nations).

    Pan-Aryanism, as I understand it, has never been about mixing all the different Europid biological entities; especially not for example Swedes and Iranians.
    That Pan-Aryanism is a movement centered on such a message like that 'everybody who's not a negro is white' is an all too common misunderstanding. This misunderstanding is so common in great part be cause of one thing; the godamned so called "PANF"! People like those @ "PANF" have hi-jacked Pan-Aryanism for their own dangerous agenda that is in truth not Aryan at all but counter-Aryan.
    And it always saddens me a little to see how many of my fellow Europeans have fallen prey for the promiscuous show that people like the "PANF" have put up.

    I believe the word Aryan is ours and, although it has been under attack from all possible directions for the last 5 decades, it can be reclaimed!

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordgau View Post
    Until now I didn't take notice of that forum's existence. Did that come into being as an offshot of an "inner opposition" of the PANF "movement"?
    As far as I know Pan-Aryan Allience (henceforth "PAA") is not an offshoot from Pan-Aryan National Front (henceforth "PANF").
    Spirit of Fire, the owner of "PAA", does not like diabloblanco92, the owner of "PANF", nor his views. In fact I think she hates him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Landsturm View Post
    There ain't no such a thing as 'Aryan' 'Pan-Aryan' 'Aryanism' Aryaness'. We are all different. Middle easterns have nothing to do with western europeans. The daily term aryan is nonsense and doesn't excist. So let these dumb f*cks on the panaryan alliance forums. Because they aren't doing any thing to preserve there 'aryan' and 'nordic' culture/race and so on.
    Worst post in this thread I deem this. As I explained above there is such a thing as 'Aryan', 'Pan-Aryan', 'Aryanism' and 'Aryaness'. Yes, we are all different. What middle easterners have to do with western Europeans depends on the way you look at it. The term 'Aryan' is not nonsens and it does exist.

    You seem to call yourself 'NS', which I guess stands for National Socialist. Your post I view as a display of a severe lack of knowledge regarding a central part of National Socialist weltanschauung. I suggest you stop calling yourself 'NS', at least until you inform yourself properly about this weltanschauung; which is, truly, Aryocentric.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pervitinist View Post
    Nordicism is different from Pan-Aryanism of course, but I don't think that the one contradicts the other. The official NSDAP policy e.g. integrated an eugenic Nordicism into a broader Pan-Aryan perspective whch worked quite well in practice. You should study the Nürnberger Rassengesetze. Actually my position is orthodox NS.
    Exactly, Pervitinist.
    Different from Landsturm's post, your post actually does display knowledge worthy of a person who calls himself NS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boche View Post
    Thats History, weren't you one of those who also agrees that the german NS should stop living in the old times and think of revolutionary and changed NS?
    I am also one of those who agrees that NS, German or not, should stop living in the old times of think of revolutionary and changed NS. But I must say that if NS ceases being Aryocentric it ceases being NS at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aistulf View Post
    To keep a long discussion short:
    PANF can't, in any way, be compared to PAA.

    You'd only have to take a brief look over at the PAA forum to see what I mean. It's certainly not about whitewashing (literally), it's rather to look beyond the ‘traditional (Indo-)European/Aryan realm.’ Nor does PAA endorse or encourage any kind of immigration, which should be pretty apparent to anyone who has taken time to look over at PAA.
    Indeed, Aistulf.
    In Iceland I'd say 'Aistulf hittir naglann á höfuđiđ' which means, directly, 'Aistulf hit the nail on it's head'; that is to say, Aistulf hit the spot!

    Quote Originally Posted by Aistulf View Post
    If you don't believe in the essence of national socialism, the belief of an Aryan (read: Indo-European) people and its [meta-]ethnic and sub-racial branchings, you shouldn't call yourself one. Then you might as well adopt or even start a new ideology; perhaps based on NS.

    It'd be like calling yourself a leninist and placing the bourgeoisie before the proletariat.
    Aistulf does it again; very good!

    Quote Originally Posted by OneEnglishNorman View Post
    The National Socialists did not place values on the word "Aryan" which many on this forum would subscribe to.
    True. It is my believe they didn't actually use it in categorizing races but in the way I use it.
    Dr. Solar Wolff understood it:
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff View Post
    Blavatsky and Guido von List, etc., identified pure Aryans with European aristocrats/royality.
    [...]
    Somehow, there were always two competing ideals within Nazism, the Aryan and the Nordic. One may be mental/spiritual and the other a physical manifestation, I don't know.

    Quote Originally Posted by OneEnglishNorman View Post
    Specifically, even Nazi racial ideology subtly shifted over the years.
    True. Like Taras Bulba synopses from "Race and the Third Reich":
    Quote Originally Posted by Taras Bulba View Post
    [b]Whilst Nazi race theory is commonly associated with the idea of a superior "Aryan race" and with the idealization of the Nordic ideal of blond hair, blue eyes and a "long-skull", Nazi race theorists, in common with their colleagues outside Germany, without exception denied the existence of an Aryan race.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    The problem with this whole discussion is, that there is no clear definition of the goals and even the term itself of "Pan-Aryanism", so everyone will decide for himself what that means.
    The problem with this discussion has been, there hasn't been a clear understanding of the real definition of the goals and even the term itself of "Pan-Aryanism". However I believe I have laid forth a clear definition and thus, at least mostly, solved the problem.

    This is the end of my post. I bid everyone who thinks about posting further in this thread to read it and really think about the information I just presented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boche View Post
    The Threat is that there are Pan-Aryans who are racially for example partly Mongolid,...
    They might have white skin, but still they have bigger characteristical Differences, and mostly also genetical ones.
    Those are mighty harsh accusations.

    Care to back up these claims with any evidence? Please show profile pics or something to validate yourself, perhaps.

    1. Which www.panaryan.com members are "partly Mongolid"???

    2. Show these "white" skinned folks you mention who have "bigger" character differences and "genetical" ones to boot.

    Danke.

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    Re: On PANF and Pan-Aryanism

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser View Post
    1. Which www.panaryan.com members are "partly Mongolid"???
    Partially Mongoloid I cannot prove. However:

    As far as I have heard, the owner is partially Armenoid, coming from a Georgian extraction. As far as I am aware, the Nürnberger Rassengesetze deemed the Armemoid race to be extra-European. Correct me if I am confusing this one.

    Either way, having partially Armenoid women drool over Nordid men is just wrong, IMO.
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    Re: On PANF and Pan-Aryanism

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser View Post
    Those are mighty harsh accusations.

    Care to back up these claims with any evidence? Please show profile pics or something to validate yourself, perhaps.

    1. Which www.panaryan.com members are "partly Mongolid"???

    2. Show these "white" skinned folks you mention who have "bigger" character differences and "genetical" ones to boot.

    Danke.

    The whole Pan-Aryan Scene isn't just about the www.panaryan.com website. I've browsed through different forums, also had a little talk with Thulean on MSN, where we simply got to the conclusion that a sub-cultire is rising up between Pan-Aryans and the pan-Aryan forum isn't what Pan-Aryanism is about.
    Don't focuse the whole topic just on one forum.




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    Re: On PANF and Pan-Aryanism

    The whole idea of pan-aryanism is absurd. Pan-european which will include most europeans including albanians, italians and greeks from the south too is plausible and makes sense.
    But, calling obviously mixed populations "white" is too difficult. Not only are middle eastern/south asian cultures different from european ones(despite the many attempts by persians to link themselves to Ukrainians etc.) it would be very hard to separate the whites and nonwhites. Where do you draw the line? I mean they are caucasoid no doubt about it but similar to Europeans I think not.

    Also, persians over at PANF don't like admitting that dark persians are their own kind. Everyone from Ahmadjinad to singer Arash is labelled an Arab by them to perpetuate the idea that persians can absolutely NEVER be dark or hairy. Blame it on the arabs!


    Over at pan-aryan Iranian forum the favourite thing to do is try to pass white, half whites or beautiful people of indian/latin american descent off as persian.
    http://ianf.hyperboards.com/index.ph...d=159&start=16

    More than half the girls on that page aren't persian and Soarandenvision even included Josie Maran!!!

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    All of these arguments are lacking much scientific credibility either way. We need to have solid non-jew influenced DNA tests conducted on populations and individuals specifically with racial identification in mind. Only then can we appropriately categorize the various white extractions and the many combinations thereof. Meanwhile, facial/skull features and ancestry are good basic guidelines indeed. Ultimately, however, we must ally ourselves with any number of whites in order to better preserve the Germanic racial stream. At that point we can argue the scientific, ethical, political, economic, and even moral need to racially improve all stocks through positive and negative eugenics. This is not only prudent for the human race. But wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janos Hunyadi View Post

    To be honest, he doesn't look as Non-Europid as i tought. Probably also an Georgian?

    Altough he reminds me of a Greek. There is a Greek Singer which looks exactly like this when he smiles.




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    Re: On PANF and Pan-Aryanism

    Quote Originally Posted by Boche View Post
    Altough he reminds me of a Greek. There is a Greek Singer which looks exactly like this when he smiles.
    Sadly, yes

    The sort of Greeks of suspicious origin that are very commonly seen around here.

    In fact, if he was just a little bit fatter, he would look just like the grocer in my neighbourhood (no kidding)

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